diff --git a/taipy/gui/_renderers/builder.py b/taipy/gui/_renderers/builder.py
index 8c86c4a7e3..b877ef5d03 100644
--- a/taipy/gui/_renderers/builder.py
+++ b/taipy/gui/_renderers/builder.py
@@ -377,11 +377,13 @@ def __set_string_or_number_attribute(self, name: str, default_value: t.Optional[
     def __set_react_attribute(self, name: str, value: t.Any):
         return self.set_attribute(name, "{!" + (str(value).lower() if isinstance(value, bool) else str(value)) + "!}")
 
-    def _get_lov_adapter(self, var_name: str, property_name: t.Optional[str] = None, multi_selection=True):  # noqa: C901
+    def _get_lov_adapter(  # noqa: C901
+        self, var_name: str, property_name: t.Optional[str] = None, multi_selection=True, with_default=True
+    ):
         property_name = var_name if property_name is None else property_name
         lov_name = self.__hashes.get(var_name)
         lov = self.__get_list_of_(var_name)
-        default_lov = []
+        default_lov: t.Optional[t.List[t.Any]] = [] if with_default or not lov_name else None
 
         adapter = self.__attributes.get("adapter")
         if adapter and isinstance(adapter, str):
@@ -396,15 +398,15 @@ def _get_lov_adapter(self, var_name: str, property_name: t.Optional[str] = None,
         if isinstance(lov, list):
             if not isinstance(var_type, str):
                 elt = None
-                if len(lov) == 0:
+                if lov:
+                    elt = lov[0]
+                else:
                     value = self.__attributes.get("value")
                     if isinstance(value, list):
                         if len(value) > 0:
                             elt = value[0]
                     else:
                         elt = value
-                else:
-                    elt = lov[0]
                 var_type = self.__gui._get_unique_type_adapter(type(elt).__name__)
             if adapter is None:
                 adapter = self.__gui._get_adapter_for_type(var_type)
@@ -427,7 +429,7 @@ def _get_lov_adapter(self, var_name: str, property_name: t.Optional[str] = None,
             if adapter is not None:
                 self.__gui._add_adapter_for_type(var_type, adapter)  # type: ignore
 
-            if len(lov) > 0:
+            if default_lov is not None and lov:
                 for elt in lov:
                     ret = self.__gui._run_adapter(
                         t.cast(t.Callable, adapter), elt, adapter.__name__ if callable(adapter) else "adapter"
@@ -453,7 +455,8 @@ def _get_lov_adapter(self, var_name: str, property_name: t.Optional[str] = None,
                 self.__set_default_value("value", ret_val)
 
         # LoV default value
-        self.__set_json_attribute(_to_camel_case(f"default_{property_name}"), default_lov)
+        if default_lov is not None:
+            self.__set_json_attribute(_to_camel_case(f"default_{property_name}"), default_lov)
 
         # LoV expression binding
         if lov_name:
@@ -1031,8 +1034,16 @@ def set_attributes(self, attributes: t.List[tuple]):  # noqa: C901
                 self.__set_dynamic_date_attribute(attr[0], _get_tuple_val(attr, 2, None))
             elif var_type == PropertyType.data:
                 self.__set_dynamic_property_without_default(attr[0], var_type)
-            elif var_type == PropertyType.lov or var_type == PropertyType.single_lov:
-                self._get_lov_adapter(attr[0], multi_selection=var_type != PropertyType.single_lov)
+            elif (
+                var_type == PropertyType.lov
+                or var_type == PropertyType.single_lov
+                or var_type == PropertyType.lov_no_default
+            ):
+                self._get_lov_adapter(
+                    attr[0],
+                    multi_selection=var_type != PropertyType.single_lov,
+                    with_default=var_type != PropertyType.lov_no_default,
+                )
             elif var_type == PropertyType.lov_value:
                 self.__set_dynamic_property_without_default(
                     attr[0], var_type, _get_tuple_val(attr, 2, None) == "optional"
diff --git a/taipy/gui/types.py b/taipy/gui/types.py
index b9e4f3ec02..6a3a085094 100644
--- a/taipy/gui/types.py
+++ b/taipy/gui/types.py
@@ -118,6 +118,7 @@ class PropertyType(Enum):
     json = "json"
     single_lov = "singlelov"
     lov = _TaipyLov
+    lov_no_default = "lovnodefault"
     """
     The property holds a LoV (list of values).
     """
diff --git a/taipy/gui_core/_GuiCoreLib.py b/taipy/gui_core/_GuiCoreLib.py
index 82bf0aa406..501cbbdcc9 100644
--- a/taipy/gui_core/_GuiCoreLib.py
+++ b/taipy/gui_core/_GuiCoreLib.py
@@ -87,7 +87,7 @@ class _GuiCore(ElementLibrary):
             },
             inner_properties={
                 "inner_scenarios": ElementProperty(
-                    PropertyType.lov,
+                    PropertyType.lov_no_default,
                     f"{{{__CTX_VAR_NAME}.get_scenarios(<tp:prop:{__SEL_SCENARIOS_PROP}>, "
                     + f"{__SCENARIO_SELECTOR_FILTER_VAR}<tp:uniq:sc>, "
                     + f"{__SCENARIO_SELECTOR_SORT_VAR}<tp:uniq:sc>)}}",
@@ -182,7 +182,7 @@ class _GuiCore(ElementLibrary):
             },
             inner_properties={
                 "inner_datanodes": ElementProperty(
-                    PropertyType.lov,
+                    PropertyType.lov_no_default,
                     f"{{{__CTX_VAR_NAME}.get_datanodes_tree(<tp:prop:{__DATANODE_SEL_SCENARIO_PROP}>, "
                     + f"<tp:prop:{__SEL_DATANODES_PROP}>, "
                     + f"{__DATANODE_SELECTOR_FILTER_VAR}<tp:uniq:dns>, "