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[00:00.000 --> 00:09.000] media. Government cover-ups. You want answers? Well, so does he. He's Alex Jones on the GCN
[00:09.000 --> 00:16.000] Radio Network. And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
[00:16.000 --> 00:24.000] Okay, ladies and gentlemen, this is a massive radio show today. Huge breaking news. Huge
[00:24.000 --> 00:35.000] massive developments in the 10 minutes before I went on air. Huge developments on two different
[00:35.000 --> 00:41.000] major fronts. Well, there's actually three developments. I got a death threat last night
[00:41.000 --> 00:47.000] that I'm not going to detail because I don't like to help people terrorize my family. And
[00:47.000 --> 00:51.000] then at the same time, someone went into the Wikipedia file and said that I had committed
[00:51.000 --> 01:00.000] suicide yesterday coinciding with the death threat. And I was basically told I need to
[01:00.000 --> 01:11.000] shut up about this case of Raid Hamed, the local Palestinian activist, the American citizen,
[01:11.000 --> 01:16.000] the schoolteacher, who the evidence shows was murdered. And then they claimed suicide and
[01:16.000 --> 01:23.000] then was bound and gagged. And last night, I started realizing that it probably is a murder
[01:23.000 --> 01:27.000] because of the threats and other things that were happening. Then I learned this morning
[01:27.000 --> 01:32.000] about the Wikipedia entry that wasn't done as a joke. You know, it was implied, kind of with a
[01:32.000 --> 01:39.000] criminology type or psychological mindset of, you know, Alex Jones went into his bathroom
[01:39.000 --> 01:43.000] and was threatening to kill himself. His wife called the police. When he learned that she'd
[01:43.000 --> 01:48.000] killed himself, he did kill himself, which shows a kind of copper government mind because
[01:48.000 --> 01:52.000] that's really how people a lot of times commit suicide is they're threatening it. I've seen a
[01:52.000 --> 01:56.000] lot of cases like that in the news and then someone calls the police and it escalates so
[01:56.000 --> 02:01.000] they commit suicide. And we're going to track, we're trying to track back exactly who did
[02:01.000 --> 02:05.000] that. We know who basically posted the identity, but we're trying to ferret in and drill in
[02:05.000 --> 02:14.000] and find out who that person is. Now, I got in this morning and I got a call by pretty
[02:14.000 --> 02:19.000] much the leader of the Islamic community, well, not pretty much in Austin, Texas. I'm going
[02:19.000 --> 02:29.000] to leave it at that. The individual who washed Hamid's body in Islamic customs, also Jewish
[02:29.000 --> 02:37.000] customs. Jesus was washed, as you know. Ladies and gentlemen, he was tortured. No wonder
[02:37.000 --> 02:41.000] we're getting death threats over this. People do not want it to come out that they murdered
[02:41.000 --> 02:49.000] this guy. This is a serious who done it. And yesterday it broke here on the air with a
[02:49.000 --> 02:55.000] treasurer of his organization, the last person he talked to via telephone. According to
[02:55.000 --> 03:03.000] phone records, he told me that what appeared to be Israelis with machine guns have been
[03:03.000 --> 03:07.000] talking to the neighbors. Mr. Hamid had talked to his neighbors. They said that it was
[03:07.000 --> 03:11.000] foreigners with machine guns asking if they could go in their backyard, that they'd been
[03:11.000 --> 03:18.000] surveilling him. He had seen them. Oh man, this is just horrible. And of course, Israel
[03:18.000 --> 03:24.000] has said in the Associated Press and in UPI, six years ago they will kill US citizens on
[03:24.000 --> 03:33.000] US territory if they aid Palestinians in any way. People asked me to report on this stuff,
[03:33.000 --> 03:41.000] and I do, because it's important. And here we are, tip of the spear, as usual. Ladies
[03:41.000 --> 03:45.000] and gentlemen, I know why God put me in this position throughout my life, but certainly
[03:45.000 --> 03:50.000] everything's intensifying and my heckles have been up. My cackles have been up on the back
[03:50.000 --> 03:57.000] of my neck since yesterday afternoon with my sixth sense telling me, uh, danger, Will
[03:57.000 --> 04:02.000] Robinson, danger, danger. As I sit right here in Austin, Texas, where they threw this guy
[04:02.000 --> 04:09.000] in the lake, this poor man. So that's coming up in 30 minutes. The other big news is so
[04:09.000 --> 04:16.000] massive, is so stunning, is so off the charts, is so transparent that when I read this 15
[04:16.000 --> 04:30.000] minutes ago, I staggered. I'll tell you about it when we get back. This is a separate subject.
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[07:53.000 --> 08:07.000] Big Brother. Mainstream media. Government cover-ups. You want answers? Well, so does he. He's Alex
[08:07.000 --> 08:16.000] Jones on the GCN Radio Network. And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
[08:16.000 --> 08:32.000] Ultra-massive news breaking in T-minus 22 minutes in the suspicious death of Mr.
[08:32.000 --> 08:39.000] Hamed here in Austin, Texas, the U.S. citizen, Palestinian activist, peaceful, nonviolent
[08:39.000 --> 08:45.000] activist part of the peace group, bound, thrown in the river, very suspicious behavior by
[08:45.000 --> 08:49.000] the police, first believing it was murder, then suddenly changing their story and
[08:49.000 --> 08:57.000] saying suicide. We have been contacted by the head of the Austin Islamic Center, the
[08:57.000 --> 09:02.000] doctor that runs it, who I see on television all the time, who washed his body as
[09:02.000 --> 09:09.000] Islamic custom. And I talked to him this morning five minutes before airtime, just as
[09:09.000 --> 09:15.000] I was digesting the massive news and he said clearly signs of torture abuse, which
[09:15.000 --> 09:20.000] is the same thing we got leaked from people at two different TV stations who are
[09:20.000 --> 09:27.000] afraid by the way to go public. They heard the scanners. I mean, I'm wishing it was
[09:27.000 --> 09:33.000] suicide. I'm wishing the government wasn't so evil. I'm so tired of it. I'm wishing I
[09:33.000 --> 09:38.000] didn't have to risk my life doing this, but I'm too far into it. To ever back off,
[09:38.000 --> 09:43.000] it's pointed no return. It's like I'm a ship going across the ocean and I'm 75%
[09:43.000 --> 09:47.000] there. If I turn back, there's no way I'm making it back and I wouldn't turn back
[09:47.000 --> 09:52.000] if I could. Okay, here's the big news. Paul Watson, I made him aware of it about
[09:52.000 --> 09:57.000] 15 minutes ago. He is on it doing a detailed analysis for prisonplanet.com that
[09:57.000 --> 10:03.000] will go up in T minus two hours. This is the highest level priority for
[10:03.000 --> 10:08.000] info warriors if you choose to take this mission. And I'm not joking when I say
[10:08.000 --> 10:12.000] that. We have to cram this down the throat of every Neocon website, every
[10:12.000 --> 10:19.000] Neocon radio show. We have to pump it into all of the New World Order Defense
[10:19.000 --> 10:25.000] Complex media outlets, ABC Fox, all their message boards, MSNBC, Target
[10:25.000 --> 10:32.000] Saturation, hit them everywhere. I need near instant recording of the
[10:32.000 --> 10:36.000] information I'm about to bring out and then YouTube uploads with detailed
[10:36.000 --> 10:40.000] documents over my statements. I do not have the staff to coordinate this. I'm
[10:40.000 --> 10:44.000] calling on you with your skills out there to do this so we can have a full
[10:44.000 --> 10:49.000] combined effort on the enemy force with what they've launched. This follows
[10:49.000 --> 10:57.000] exactly as we predicted in articles last week that it would. This is hidden in
[10:57.000 --> 11:03.000] plain view what you are about to hear, ladies and gentlemen. This is
[11:03.000 --> 11:10.000] Associated Press. This was released two hours ago. I learned of it about 25
[11:10.000 --> 11:17.000] minutes ago. Al Qaeda number two. Brace yourselves. Al Qaeda number two says
[11:17.000 --> 11:27.000] 9-11 theory propagated by Iran. Steve Watson last week for M4Wars.net. He
[11:27.000 --> 11:32.000] does have a degree in political science, a very intelligent man, made the point
[11:32.000 --> 11:39.000] that Iran was putting out statements and bringing out the fact that many of the
[11:39.000 --> 11:43.000] Iranian radicals, including those that took hostages, were funded by the CIA to
[11:43.000 --> 11:48.000] do it, and were given arms and weapons to hold the hostages in a staged event.
[11:48.000 --> 11:52.000] It's like they used the same Islamist to overthrow Mohammed Mosaddegh in
[11:52.000 --> 11:56.000] 1953. Then they put the Shah in. When they got tired of him, they brought in
[11:56.000 --> 12:03.000] Islamic radicals. It's all staged at the highest levels. Many top
[12:03.000 --> 12:07.000] political scientists, by the way, believe that, and BBC reporter Greg
[12:07.000 --> 12:13.000] Pallas and many others. This is how Cloak and Dagger works. And Ahmed Denizide
[12:13.000 --> 12:17.000] showed himself to be an operative when he came out and said that world
[12:17.000 --> 12:22.000] government was a good thing when he came out and said 9-11 happened four years
[12:22.000 --> 12:28.000] ago last week, and Steve said, look at how Al Qaeda and the Shiite-led Iran
[12:28.000 --> 12:35.000] constantly make statements that help the globalist. Now remember, last week
[12:35.000 --> 12:40.000] in Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu came out and publicly stated that 9-11 was
[12:40.000 --> 12:44.000] good for Israel. Well, yeah, we got the neocon documents where they said we
[12:44.000 --> 12:49.000] need massive terror attacks in the U.S. or we can't get our agenda through.
[12:49.000 --> 12:54.000] We have neocon pundits writing articles for the Philadelphia News saying 9-11
[12:54.000 --> 12:57.000] was wonderful. We need another one. We have three years ago, before they
[12:57.000 --> 13:00.000] admitted all this, internal Republican memos saying they need another
[13:00.000 --> 13:07.000] attack and fast, Gary Hart on the Democratic side of the CFR is calling
[13:07.000 --> 13:10.000] for the same thing, wrote a threatening letter to Iran to the rest of the
[13:10.000 --> 13:13.000] Imams who are not controlled, many of them. There's only one camp that is
[13:13.000 --> 13:18.000] from the evidence we've got inside Iranian system saying we will stage
[13:18.000 --> 13:22.000] attacks and blame it on Iran. Don't think it's because 80% of Americans
[13:22.000 --> 13:26.000] don't want to attack you, that the elements that control the U.S. won't
[13:26.000 --> 13:30.000] stage events. And then he listed Tonkin, he listed the main, he listed a
[13:30.000 --> 13:35.000] bunch of other events and said we provocateur. But let me get to the main
[13:35.000 --> 13:42.000] issue at hand. Remember Colin Powell on the eve of the war was testifying
[13:42.000 --> 13:46.000] before the U.N. and Congress and in Congress five hours before it came
[13:46.000 --> 13:51.000] out, he testified that Al Jazeera had just aired a new bin Laden tape where
[13:51.000 --> 13:57.000] he said that he worked with Saddam Hussein. Now why would bin Laden come
[13:57.000 --> 14:01.000] out and even if it was bin Laden, they would just produce these audio
[14:01.000 --> 14:04.000] tapes out of nowhere and the media always just says it's real and then
[14:04.000 --> 14:08.000] you track it, it's uploaded to neocon or CIA, run websites like Intel
[14:08.000 --> 14:12.000] Center admittedly and Wired Magazine and others have had computer specialists
[14:12.000 --> 14:16.000] look at the bugs on the video, you know, the scroll on the bottom and the
[14:16.000 --> 14:21.000] Intel Center logo is uploaded at the same time in the same video layer as
[14:21.000 --> 14:26.000] the so-called Al Qaeda bugs and the Islamic Screed. They have Adam
[14:26.000 --> 14:31.000] Gadan, the grandson of the ADL head in English saying he works for Al Qaeda
[14:31.000 --> 14:36.000] and is going to attack us. I mean how dumb do we have to be? How in our
[14:36.000 --> 14:42.000] face does it have to get? How ridiculous? Right when they need to hear
[14:42.000 --> 14:52.000] that Al Qaeda, a radical Saudi Arabian Wahhabist sect supposedly works, a
[14:52.000 --> 14:57.000] radical sub-sect of the Wahhabist sect supposedly worked with the secular
[14:57.000 --> 15:01.000] CIA installed Saddam Hussein who they then backstabbed. Totally ridiculous,
[15:01.000 --> 15:05.000] admitted to be a fraud now, but on the eve of the war, Colin Powell goes
[15:05.000 --> 15:10.000] before Congress, we wrote articles about it on prisonplanet.com and infowars.net
[15:10.000 --> 15:16.000] at the time in 2003 on the eve of the war and said, even bin Laden admits he
[15:16.000 --> 15:20.000] works with Saddam and the media all ran out of the chamber and came back in
[15:20.000 --> 15:25.000] and the congressman said, Mr. Powell, Secretary Powell, there's no such
[15:25.000 --> 15:32.000] tape on Al Jazeera, they gotten their time zone off, they're sloppy. They
[15:32.000 --> 15:38.000] got their time zone, he said well it will be soon then. Every time they want,
[15:38.000 --> 15:43.000] I mean just every time they want to attack Somalia, the neocons do, Al Qaeda
[15:43.000 --> 15:47.000] comes out and says we work with Somalia. Every time, I mean Bush is in
[15:47.000 --> 15:53.000] trouble, the neoconogen is in trouble, bin Laden or Al Zawari releases a new
[15:53.000 --> 15:58.000] tape, a new audio tape, they release scores of videotapes that later comes
[15:58.000 --> 16:05.000] out are re-edits of 1999, 2000, 2001 videos. Remember the national, three
[16:05.000 --> 16:11.000] years ago they aired all over the US, the two lead hijackers, supposedly
[16:11.000 --> 16:14.000] Edda bin Laden training camp and showed bin Laden and then showed the crowd
[16:14.000 --> 16:19.000] and showed closeups of their faces and I instantly said those look like CG,
[16:19.000 --> 16:24.000] Pixar does a better job of that, it looks like Disney and then it came out,
[16:24.000 --> 16:28.000] we broke it infowars.net, just linking to the mainstream news, that that had
[16:28.000 --> 16:36.000] been used in a 2002 British documentary and on the screen, but they blew it
[16:36.000 --> 16:41.000] up when our media put it out, it said computer simulation, they cut their
[16:41.000 --> 16:46.000] heads on to men in the crowd, zoomed in on them, put it out on TV saying it
[16:46.000 --> 16:51.000] was fake, it was a simulation of them being there, which has its own
[16:51.000 --> 16:55.000] propaganda effect, people don't notice at the bottom it said simulation, but
[16:55.000 --> 16:58.000] then by the time it hits our news they just blow it up a little, zoom in on
[16:58.000 --> 17:03.000] the video and cut off that it was a computer rendering. They put computer
[17:03.000 --> 17:10.000] renderings on TV and say it's real and take it from TV shows where they admit
[17:10.000 --> 17:14.000] it's fake thinking we're so dumb or that we don't have the media power to
[17:14.000 --> 17:20.000] expose it. Now I'm giving you background ladies and gentlemen, it goes on and
[17:20.000 --> 17:28.000] on and on and on, this guy Al Qaeda's deputy leader Al Zawari is out of
[17:28.000 --> 17:32.000] Egypt where they run all the fake Islamic groups, they use the stage terror
[17:32.000 --> 17:39.000] as a way to keep the corrupt government in power, that's been admitted.
[17:39.000 --> 17:43.000] Their president, Hosni Nubarak who's been in there what 30 something years,
[17:43.000 --> 17:47.000] just just just constantly uses stage terror as a way to crack down the
[17:47.000 --> 17:51.000] stage elections to arrest people, admitted giant torture chambers,
[17:51.000 --> 17:55.000] totally paid off by the globalist and they've got this guy who's been an
[17:55.000 --> 18:02.000] operative since he was 18 years old. Al Qaeda's number two says 9-11 theory
[18:02.000 --> 18:07.000] propagated by Iran, so now when you say 9-11's an inside job, the media's so
[18:07.000 --> 18:11.000] desperate with Jesse Ventura coming out and German former ministry of
[18:11.000 --> 18:15.000] defense coming out and Willie Nelson and the best actress, Oscar winner this
[18:15.000 --> 18:20.000] year and engineers and scientists and physicists, that now the drumbeat as
[18:20.000 --> 18:24.000] the talking point's been for six months, if you talk about 9-11 truth you
[18:24.000 --> 18:28.000] work for Al Qaeda, if you talk about 9-11 truth you're siding with the
[18:28.000 --> 18:32.000] terrorist, it should be illegal, you should be arrested, you should be
[18:32.000 --> 18:36.000] tortured, you should be sent to secret camps, that talking point was said on
[18:36.000 --> 18:41.000] MSNBC, Fox CNN all unified in the same week, government talking point,
[18:41.000 --> 18:46.000] see the attack pattern, it's 100% guaranteed, we have them wide open,
[18:46.000 --> 18:51.000] they carried out the attacks, they're running the propaganda offensive.
[18:51.000 --> 18:56.000] Now the number two in Al Qaeda who always says what they need, who always
[18:56.000 --> 19:01.000] puts out a press release agreeing with the wine house, he comes out and says,
[19:01.000 --> 19:05.000] now remember, another bin Laden whether it was real or not said that he
[19:05.000 --> 19:08.000] didn't carry out the attacks and it was staged, that got ignored, then they
[19:08.000 --> 19:14.000] give you a fat guy in a video saying he did it and then they do voice print,
[19:14.000 --> 19:17.000] it's not the same guy, not even the same dialect, not even the same nose,
[19:17.000 --> 19:21.000] they blurred the video, dark room, major universities, US, Canada, England,
[19:21.000 --> 19:26.000] France, all analyze it, voice print, it's false, linguistics it's false,
[19:26.000 --> 19:34.000] speech patterns false, video false, uploaded in the same format with the
[19:34.000 --> 19:40.000] government bugs on it, in the same video layers, hundreds of other points.
[19:40.000 --> 19:43.000] We'll tell you what this means when we get back on the other side, we're
[19:43.000 --> 19:47.000] coming in, we're coming in hot, this is just unbelievable.
[19:47.000 --> 19:54.000] Number two, Al Qaeda's number two says 9-11-3 propagated by Iran.
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[24:06.000 --> 24:09.000] Ladies and gentlemen, we've analyzed what they're doing.
[24:09.000 --> 24:13.000] There is no doubt this is a 100% proof positive.
[24:13.000 --> 24:17.000] This piece of propaganda only adds more evidence to the fact
[24:17.000 --> 24:21.000] that they have totally staged the 9-11 attacks, everything.
[24:24.000 --> 24:28.000] Al-Qaeda number two says 9-11 theory propagated by Iran,
[24:28.000 --> 24:31.000] AP, a summit in Laden's chief deputy on Tuesday
[24:31.000 --> 24:34.000] denied a theory that Israel carried out the September 11 attacks
[24:34.000 --> 24:38.000] and blamed Iran as a Shiite Hezbollah for spreading the idea
[24:38.000 --> 24:42.000] to discredit the Sunni al-Qaeda strike against the U.S.
[24:42.000 --> 24:45.000] Now, notice they state it as if it's a fact
[24:45.000 --> 24:47.000] in all these propaganda pieces.
[24:47.000 --> 24:50.000] It's always the same when it's a fake video or fake audio.
[24:50.000 --> 24:52.000] Then later they admit this.
[24:52.000 --> 24:55.000] The comments in a recording posted on Islamic website reflected
[24:55.000 --> 24:57.000] they won't even give you the Islamic website because
[24:57.000 --> 25:00.000] used to they would, and we'd go find it was in Houston or D.C.,
[25:00.000 --> 25:04.000] Virginia, and then you'd find out it was a neocon ADL front.
[25:04.000 --> 25:06.000] We've got dozens of articles we wrote on that.
[25:06.000 --> 25:10.000] You can go read them from 3, 4, 5, 6 years ago, 7 years ago.
[25:10.000 --> 25:12.000] Unbelievable.
[25:12.000 --> 25:15.000] The comments in the recording posted on Islamic website reflected
[25:15.000 --> 25:19.000] an increasing criticism by al-Qaeda's number two leader.
[25:19.000 --> 25:22.000] The comments in a recording posted on Islamic website reflected
[25:22.000 --> 25:25.000] an increasing criticism by al-Qaeda's number two leader,
[25:25.000 --> 25:28.000] Al-Zawari, against Iran.
[25:28.000 --> 25:31.000] He has accused Iran in recent messages of seeking to extend
[25:31.000 --> 25:34.000] its power in the Middle East, particularly in Iraq
[25:34.000 --> 25:37.000] and through its Hezbollah allies in Lebanon.
[25:37.000 --> 25:40.000] Now listen to this. Here's the key. Later in the article,
[25:40.000 --> 25:43.000] the authenticity of the two-hour audio recording could not be
[25:43.000 --> 25:45.000] independently confirmed.
[25:45.000 --> 25:48.000] Oh, why doesn't the headline say unconfirmed audio?
[25:48.000 --> 25:53.000] Remember how some kids did a video of chopping somebody's head off
[25:53.000 --> 25:56.000] in San Francisco in the news for two days reported it as real?
[25:56.000 --> 25:59.000] Because you see the media, the operatives at the AP,
[25:59.000 --> 26:01.000] who are operatives at this high level, they just, you know,
[26:01.000 --> 26:04.000] they don't talk to the guys that put out the fake vids.
[26:04.000 --> 26:06.000] They just know it's an operation. They're supposed to put it out.
[26:06.000 --> 26:13.000] So they got basically false started on that with another fake video.
[26:13.000 --> 26:15.000] Unbelievable.
[26:15.000 --> 26:18.000] The authenticity of the two-hour audio recording could not be
[26:18.000 --> 26:21.000] independently confirmed, but the voice sounded like past audio
[26:21.000 --> 26:25.000] tapes from the terror leader and the posting where it was found
[26:25.000 --> 26:30.000] for the logo Al-Sinab al-Qaeda's official media arm,
[26:30.000 --> 26:34.000] which they've caught the intel center in the same video layer
[26:34.000 --> 26:36.000] when they do videos, you understand?
[26:36.000 --> 26:39.000] It's a fact because they can tell the pixelation.
[26:39.000 --> 26:41.000] You can blow it up. We can do it here at our office,
[26:41.000 --> 26:43.000] and we're not degree experts in it.
[26:43.000 --> 26:46.000] You can see blowing up video if something was laid down
[26:46.000 --> 26:50.000] in the original feed of the video or it was laid over later.
[26:50.000 --> 26:53.000] Sticks out like a store thumb in the pixelation layers.
[26:53.000 --> 26:56.000] You can look at what format the video is in.
[26:56.000 --> 26:59.000] The computer tells you that you know the shape of the pixels,
[26:59.000 --> 27:02.000] what type of compression.
[27:02.000 --> 27:04.000] We deal with video here, but it doesn't matter.
[27:04.000 --> 27:06.000] The experts have looked at these.
[27:06.000 --> 27:12.000] This is mainstream news. It's fake.
[27:12.000 --> 27:14.000] There's so many other facets to this.
[27:14.000 --> 27:18.000] An audio tape that they don't say they can prove is real,
[27:18.000 --> 27:21.000] just like all the fat bin Laden tapes, the rest of it.
[27:21.000 --> 27:26.000] Now, remember, the FBI, local news, national news,
[27:26.000 --> 27:31.000] have all reported the FBI for six and almost seven years
[27:31.000 --> 27:34.000] coming up on the seventh anniversary, hearing about four months,
[27:34.000 --> 27:40.000] will not say that he carried out 9-11 and will not indict him for it.
[27:40.000 --> 27:48.000] He is not indicted. He is not listed nothing for the attacks.
[27:48.000 --> 27:53.000] He is listed for the coal. Why is that?
[27:53.000 --> 27:57.000] Now, remember, the BBC and others reported three months before 9-11
[27:57.000 --> 28:03.000] in Pakistan, a British ambassador went to see bin Laden
[28:03.000 --> 28:07.000] in front of the press with the CIA and U.S. military guarding him.
[28:07.000 --> 28:14.000] Then he went to Dubai for kidney work, and the report is died shortly after 9-11.
[28:14.000 --> 28:20.000] Bandar Bush, that's his nickname, the former Saudi ambassador to the U.S.,
[28:20.000 --> 28:23.000] best buddies with the Bushes, that's why it's called Bandar Bush.
[28:23.000 --> 28:26.000] On Larry King one night, Larry King called him a coward and said he was bad
[28:26.000 --> 28:29.000] and said, don't talk about him that way. Don't say bad things about bin Laden.
[28:29.000 --> 28:32.000] You can see over there, the family gets all the contracts,
[28:32.000 --> 28:36.000] building contracts, they run everything for Mecca, you name it.
[28:36.000 --> 28:39.000] They then get to be big heroes over there and Bandar said,
[28:39.000 --> 28:44.000] you don't talk bad about him. Knowing that would be on Saudi TV.
[28:44.000 --> 28:48.000] Very sophisticated double game, triple game.
[28:48.000 --> 28:51.000] So we need an article exposing the fact that bin Laden
[28:51.000 --> 28:56.000] is on the FBI Most Wanted list every time they need him to.
[28:56.000 --> 29:01.000] Al-Zawari comes out and says, I mean, it's been over a hundred times.
[29:01.000 --> 29:06.000] I can't even remember them all, where he comes out and always agrees
[29:06.000 --> 29:11.000] and says Al-Qaeda is doing quite well. Al-Qaeda launched this attack.
[29:11.000 --> 29:17.000] Al-Qaeda is working with Iran. Al-Qaeda is fighting Iran to confuse the public.
[29:17.000 --> 29:23.000] I'm going to cover more of this, but huge breaking news
[29:23.000 --> 29:31.000] in the mysterious death of Ra'id Hamid, Ra'id Hamid,
[29:31.000 --> 29:35.000] bound, hand and foot, mouth, eyes thrown into the river.
[29:35.000 --> 29:39.000] They claim it's suicide.
[29:39.000 --> 29:42.000] We'll be right back with a very special guest, ladies and gentlemen.
[29:42.000 --> 29:44.000] Lock yourselves in. This is huge.
[29:44.000 --> 29:48.000] We're on the march. The Empire's on the run.
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[30:59.000 --> 31:03.000] This confederation of evangelicals, Catholics, and Protestant denominations
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[31:05.000 --> 31:09.000] Their agenda is enforcement of religious worship and morality by legislation.
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[31:12.000 --> 31:14.000] this freedom, liberty of conscience.
[31:14.000 --> 31:17.000] History and the Bible prove to them that these two systems, church and state,
[31:17.000 --> 31:19.000] must be kept separate.
[31:19.000 --> 31:23.000] It must be our love of God and of country that prompts or constrains us.
[31:23.000 --> 31:25.000] This will change the character, not civil enforcement.
[31:25.000 --> 31:29.000] From history we saw that when church and state united, known as Papal Rome,
[31:29.000 --> 31:31.000] religious intolerance resulted.
[31:31.000 --> 31:34.000] This union would go directly contrary to the great principles of our nation.
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[33:17.000 --> 33:20.000] We're back live, ladies and gentlemen.
[33:20.000 --> 33:26.000] We had the treasurer of Raid Hamed,
[33:26.000 --> 33:32.000] Raid Hamid's Palestinian aid organization, Peaceful Peace Group
[33:32.000 --> 33:36.000] that tried to bring school books and medicine to the Palestinians.
[33:36.000 --> 33:41.000] He had told the treasurer of his organization that there had been what appeared to be
[33:41.000 --> 33:44.000] and the neighbors told him Israelis with machine guns around his house,
[33:44.000 --> 33:46.000] questioning them.
[33:46.000 --> 33:52.000] UPI reported that Israel said it will kill U.S. citizens that aid Palestinians in the U.S.
[33:52.000 --> 33:57.000] That was a public government statement.
[33:57.000 --> 34:01.000] Hamid, of course, disappeared last Tuesday.
[34:01.000 --> 34:05.000] He was found a few days later in the Colorado River,
[34:05.000 --> 34:08.000] known as Lady Bird Lake, here in Austin, Texas.
[34:08.000 --> 34:11.000] We put out the call for witnesses, for family.
[34:11.000 --> 34:17.000] The family is scared. The school teacher is at the school where he was a loved keyboard teacher,
[34:17.000 --> 34:22.000] which taught computer and typing.
[34:22.000 --> 34:24.000] Believe he's been killed.
[34:24.000 --> 34:35.000] Well, guess what? We have Dr. Ibrahim Dramali, who is the director.
[34:35.000 --> 34:41.000] He is the director of the Islamic Center of Greater Austin.
[34:41.000 --> 34:48.000] That is the large, main Islamic organization here in Austin, Texas.
[34:48.000 --> 34:52.000] This is the main organization, thousands and thousands of members.
[34:52.000 --> 34:57.000] They have Islamic school, a lot of other things.
[34:57.000 --> 35:09.000] They are the spokesman who you hear on local news when there is a religious issue, or whenever there's a religious holiday that is Islamic.
[35:09.000 --> 35:17.000] He washed, as is Islamic custom, it's also the old Jewish custom, like with Jesus, washed the body of Mr. Hamid,
[35:17.000 --> 35:24.000] who was found bound, arms, legs, mouth, eyes in the river.
[35:24.000 --> 35:28.000] I talked to people at two different TV stations who said that it looked like he had marks on him.
[35:28.000 --> 35:31.000] It looked like he was in agony, that, quote, been tortured.
[35:31.000 --> 35:33.000] People, of course, were scared to speak out on the show.
[35:33.000 --> 35:40.000] We said that we had this info. Well, here is the man who did the Islamic washing of him.
[35:40.000 --> 35:52.000] He is the head of the Islamic Center of Greater Austin, the major Islamic cultural and religious and schooling organization in this major metropolitan city of a million people.
[35:52.000 --> 35:57.000] He is going to give you the breaking news, and I guarantee you they've tried to tell the media this.
[35:57.000 --> 35:59.000] We're going to find out why the media didn't report on it.
[35:59.000 --> 36:02.000] The police, APD, first said they believed he'd been murdered.
[36:02.000 --> 36:05.000] They then changed it overnight and said he committed suicide.
[36:05.000 --> 36:11.000] Well, they said we think he's committed suicide because, and then they tried to cover up what happened with an autopsy.
[36:11.000 --> 36:12.000] We're not sure.
[36:12.000 --> 36:19.000] So we go to Ibrahim Ramali, the head of the Islamic Center for Greater Austin.
[36:19.000 --> 36:22.000] Thank you for coming on the show, sir.
[36:22.000 --> 36:26.000] Thank you for calling us. Thank you for emailing us.
[36:26.000 --> 36:28.000] We were talking to him from the Islamic Center.
[36:28.000 --> 36:30.000] We, of course, double-checked. He is the director there.
[36:30.000 --> 36:32.000] We are talking to him from the center.
[36:32.000 --> 36:35.000] We'll probably try to have him in studio in the next few days because we're here in Austin.
[36:35.000 --> 36:37.000] Sir, you've got the floor.
[36:37.000 --> 36:43.000] Please slowly tell us exactly how he came in, what you saw, what happened.
[36:43.000 --> 36:49.000] First, Mr. Johnson, good morning, and thank you very much for supporting this issue.
[36:49.000 --> 36:52.000] What's made me interested to speak with you, actually, you are against the war,
[36:52.000 --> 36:55.000] and we are as a Muslim community here.
[36:55.000 --> 36:57.000] We are against the war every place.
[36:57.000 --> 37:03.000] And what I saw about Mr. Riyadh, his name, Riyadh, by the way, not right.
[37:03.000 --> 37:06.000] Well, you know us, Texas, we can't pronounce things correctly, but go ahead.
[37:06.000 --> 37:07.000] Riyadh.
[37:07.000 --> 37:11.000] Mr. Riyadh, they brought him here and they asked me to watch him.
[37:11.000 --> 37:16.000] And normally, this is our Islamic tradition, we have to watch the recede.
[37:16.000 --> 37:19.000] And I entered the room where I was supposed to watch him.
[37:19.000 --> 37:21.000] He was covered in the plastic bag.
[37:21.000 --> 37:26.000] The moment I, you know, opened the plastic bag, it was a disaster.
[37:26.000 --> 37:29.000] What I saw, no one can see.
[37:29.000 --> 37:34.000] The people, actually, the people with me, they are panicked.
[37:34.000 --> 37:36.000] They cannot even help. They cannot do anything.
[37:36.000 --> 37:38.000] And they have experienced with this before.
[37:38.000 --> 37:44.000] But they, he was cut from the right shoulder all the way to the stomach,
[37:44.000 --> 37:47.000] and from the left shoulder all the way to the stomach again,
[37:47.000 --> 37:51.000] and from the stomach all the way to the bladder.
[37:51.000 --> 37:59.000] And it was, and lift open, and all his flesh and meat and blood come out.
[37:59.000 --> 38:02.000] And not only that, in the stomach, actually, there is a big plastic bag,
[38:02.000 --> 38:06.000] all the stuff inside, you know, in the bottom of the plastic bag.
[38:06.000 --> 38:12.000] The other thing, his head, from all the back of his skull is completely cut,
[38:12.000 --> 38:15.000] and empty, completely, empty.
[38:15.000 --> 38:19.000] And of course, to watch him, it's very hard to watch something like this.
[38:19.000 --> 38:24.000] His arms, his wrist, it was also open and cut,
[38:24.000 --> 38:31.000] without not even one stitches to cover, to just a sewing or to cover his cuts.
[38:31.000 --> 38:33.000] And it was really a disaster.
[38:33.000 --> 38:36.000] What I saw, his eyes actually dropped all the way down,
[38:36.000 --> 38:39.000] because there's nothing supporting the eyes inside.
[38:39.000 --> 38:44.000] Of course, when I watched him, it is, I didn't know what to say.
[38:44.000 --> 38:47.000] I cannot even sleep since Friday when I watched him.
[38:47.000 --> 38:54.000] I cannot even sleep, believe me, I was in panic, and I cannot even function.
[38:54.000 --> 38:56.000] Please continue.
[38:56.000 --> 38:58.000] Now to be clear, I'm sorry about getting the name wrong.
[38:58.000 --> 39:04.000] I was calling it Riyadh, and then people corrected me on the pronunciation,
[39:04.000 --> 39:07.000] but I'm getting your name pronounced correctly, sir, right?
[39:07.000 --> 39:10.000] Yes, Mr. Johns.
[39:10.000 --> 39:12.000] Yes.
[39:12.000 --> 39:16.000] Well, listen, I know this is very upsetting to you, doctor,
[39:16.000 --> 39:20.000] the head of the Islamic Center for Greater Austin.
[39:20.000 --> 39:24.000] I was told this by two different people at TV stations
[39:24.000 --> 39:28.000] who heard the first police feeds over the scanners,
[39:28.000 --> 39:31.000] but people are scared to go public.
[39:31.000 --> 39:33.000] You're now the eyewitness who washed him,
[39:33.000 --> 39:36.000] and I know this is very hard for you to talk about.
[39:36.000 --> 39:42.000] What is it like for you to know that the media and the police are covering this up?
[39:42.000 --> 39:45.000] That's what's making me really sad.
[39:45.000 --> 39:46.000] Making me really sad.
[39:46.000 --> 39:50.000] This man, he is really very honorable, very good man,
[39:50.000 --> 39:52.000] and I heard about him from some other places.
[39:52.000 --> 39:54.000] I heard about him from friends.
[39:54.000 --> 39:56.000] I heard about him from students.
[39:56.000 --> 39:58.000] He taught some students here we have.
[39:58.000 --> 40:02.000] And when I heard about him, and then I watched him on Google,
[40:02.000 --> 40:04.000] and it was really, he's a good man.
[40:04.000 --> 40:08.000] He tried to help the children, nothing else but children.
[40:08.000 --> 40:10.000] He's a person against the war.
[40:10.000 --> 40:11.000] He's not with the war.
[40:11.000 --> 40:13.000] He's not supporting any terrorist organization.
[40:13.000 --> 40:15.000] I saw his family.
[40:15.000 --> 40:17.000] For the first time I met his family, I met his kids.
[40:17.000 --> 40:21.000] It's so sad to lose their father like this.
[40:21.000 --> 40:25.000] And I saw his son, when he was his son crying,
[40:25.000 --> 40:27.000] I put myself in that place.
[40:27.000 --> 40:29.000] I am also a peace activist.
[40:29.000 --> 40:30.000] And I say, you know what?
[40:30.000 --> 40:31.000] I am next.
[40:31.000 --> 40:34.000] I was given speech, you know, in my prayer, in a Friday prayer.
[40:34.000 --> 40:36.000] I was giving them lecture.
[40:36.000 --> 40:38.000] And I said to the people, this is a disaster.
[40:38.000 --> 40:41.000] And if we keep quiet to something like this, we are next.
[40:41.000 --> 40:43.000] We are absolutely next.
[40:43.000 --> 40:46.000] And anybody, I worry about you, Mr. Johns.
[40:46.000 --> 40:50.000] You know, you always fight for against the war, against the war.
[40:50.000 --> 40:52.000] And everybody against the war now.
[40:52.000 --> 40:54.000] He's written to be killed just like this.
[40:54.000 --> 40:56.000] I was death-threaded last night.
[40:56.000 --> 40:58.000] I don't really like talking about it because it upsets my wife.
[40:58.000 --> 41:00.000] It only makes me commit more.
[41:00.000 --> 41:02.000] It makes her commit more, but it's very upsetting to her.
[41:02.000 --> 41:03.000] We have small children.
[41:03.000 --> 41:06.000] At the same time, they went on my Wikipedia file
[41:06.000 --> 41:09.000] and said that I'd committed suicide last night.
[41:09.000 --> 41:10.000] Uh-oh.
[41:10.000 --> 41:11.000] That is the sign.
[41:11.000 --> 41:12.000] That's what they say.
[41:12.000 --> 41:15.000] They accuse him that he's, you know, by the way, for your information,
[41:15.000 --> 41:19.000] Islamically, it's prohibited to kill yourself.
[41:19.000 --> 41:23.000] We, as Muslims, we're looking for a paradise.
[41:23.000 --> 41:27.000] And when we kill ourselves, in Quran, it says,
[41:27.000 --> 41:31.000] whoever killed himself, he will have an eternal life in Hellfire.
[41:31.000 --> 41:35.000] So there is no way for any Muslim to think about killing himself.
[41:35.000 --> 41:39.000] You know, I really don't believe that at all.
[41:39.000 --> 41:42.000] You know, someone, he has a four-month degree.
[41:42.000 --> 41:44.000] He's pursuing for his PhD.
[41:44.000 --> 41:48.000] Why someone working for a PhD is to go and kill himself?
[41:48.000 --> 41:52.000] It doesn't make sense to me.
[41:52.000 --> 41:54.000] It is, it's really disaster.
[41:54.000 --> 41:55.000] I believe me.
[41:55.000 --> 41:56.000] I believe me.
[41:56.000 --> 41:57.000] I'm afraid myself.
[41:57.000 --> 41:58.000] Well, that's the whole point.
[41:58.000 --> 42:00.000] That's the whole point of this murder.
[42:00.000 --> 42:02.000] And then their arrogant cover-up, like,
[42:02.000 --> 42:04.000] we're so stupid, we won't see through it.
[42:04.000 --> 42:05.000] Now, I want to go back.
[42:05.000 --> 42:07.000] Who brought you the body?
[42:07.000 --> 42:09.000] How many days after he had been taken,
[42:09.000 --> 42:11.000] or was it the same day after he had been taken out of the water?
[42:11.000 --> 42:14.000] Uh, they'll try to spin it and claim they'd done an autopsy.
[42:14.000 --> 42:16.000] Had they done an autopsy?
[42:16.000 --> 42:21.000] I mean, please tell us about the chain of custody of Mr. Riyad's body.
[42:21.000 --> 42:26.000] Uh, Mr. Jones, the autopsy is not like this.
[42:26.000 --> 42:29.000] I am in the field of science, too.
[42:29.000 --> 42:31.000] And when you take an autopsy for somebody,
[42:31.000 --> 42:34.000] at least you, you, you cover it back.
[42:34.000 --> 42:36.000] You take some certain area.
[42:36.000 --> 42:37.000] I understand.
[42:37.000 --> 42:38.000] You sew them back up.
[42:38.000 --> 42:40.000] You don't bash the brain in.
[42:40.000 --> 42:43.000] You know, cut the body open and all those places.
[42:43.000 --> 42:44.000] I understand.
[42:44.000 --> 42:46.000] And what's the record?
[42:46.000 --> 42:47.000] Uh, what day he was taken out of the water?
[42:47.000 --> 42:48.000] What day you got him?
[42:48.000 --> 42:52.000] We got him Friday, 11 o'clock a.m.
[42:52.000 --> 42:53.000] Friday.
[42:53.000 --> 42:56.000] And I think I heard that he was taken from the water on Saturday,
[42:56.000 --> 43:00.000] but we got him in the mosque here in the Islamic Center.
[43:00.000 --> 43:01.000] We talked him on Friday.
[43:01.000 --> 43:03.000] And I received him 11 o'clock.
[43:03.000 --> 43:05.000] Okay, so to be clear, you got him less than 24 hours later,
[43:05.000 --> 43:07.000] and they had not done an autopsy?
[43:07.000 --> 43:11.000] No, he was, you know, no, actually, I took him after that autopsy.
[43:11.000 --> 43:12.000] of the autopsy.
[43:12.000 --> 43:14.000] I took him here and I watched him after the autopsy.
[43:14.000 --> 43:19.920] Okay, great, but these cuts and the bastion head were not indicative of an autopsy, because
[43:19.920 --> 43:21.800] they'll try to spin this.
[43:21.800 --> 43:24.640] Describe specifically, sir, what you saw.
[43:24.640 --> 43:33.000] I saw a cut, they cut him from the right shoulder to the stomach exactly, and the left shoulder
[43:33.000 --> 43:38.400] to the stomach, from the stomach all the way to the bladder, and his head, the skull is
[43:38.400 --> 43:45.400] completely open, and his left arm, also from the wrist, all the way to the top to the half
[43:45.400 --> 43:51.080] of his arm, it was open, and big, big cuts, you know, just like cutting the whole body
[43:51.080 --> 43:52.080] in reality.
[43:52.080 --> 43:55.120] Okay, did it look surgical, or was it left?
[43:55.120 --> 43:56.120] No, it doesn't.
[43:56.120 --> 43:59.240] Okay, so it was jagged wounds?
[43:59.240 --> 44:00.240] What is that, I'm sorry?
[44:00.240 --> 44:02.760] Were the cuts in straight lines, or were they jagged?
[44:02.760 --> 44:05.680] No, no, it is a straight line.
[44:05.680 --> 44:11.120] It is a straight line exactly, but it is not normal cut, like, I have a surgery, I have
[44:11.120 --> 44:13.520] a kidney surgery, and I can tell the difference.
[44:13.520 --> 44:14.520] No, no, I understand.
[44:14.520 --> 44:21.440] I understand, I mean, did you call him and say, say, well, I mean, be specific, this
[44:21.440 --> 44:25.880] was not then from the autopsy, what else did you see on his body?
[44:25.880 --> 44:34.760] I saw his hand, it is very dark, just like, very dark, like, I mean, very black.
[44:34.760 --> 44:44.280] I saw his head, part of his head is not like a, part shaved, and part is not shaved.
[44:44.280 --> 44:53.200] I saw in the body also, his bruises in the face, I saw also, yeah.
[44:53.200 --> 44:58.040] And there are other witnesses to this, but you said they were so, it was so horrible
[44:58.040 --> 45:00.040] that they panicked and ran out of the room?
[45:00.040 --> 45:03.440] Yeah, believe me, they cannot wash him with me, I have to bring some other people to
[45:03.440 --> 45:08.920] help me to wash him, because the blood coming out and blood, and we have to stop the blood,
[45:08.920 --> 45:16.480] and we have no other choice just to have a, like, iron tape and seal those cuts, and it's
[45:16.480 --> 45:21.800] very, very, very, very, very hard for us to do this, it's unbelievable, I never saw something
[45:21.800 --> 45:23.480] like this in my life, be honest with you.
[45:23.480 --> 45:26.560] And you said his eyes were coming out of his head?
[45:26.560 --> 45:34.800] Yeah, his eyes dropped down, and I didn't open his eyes because it was like, some stick
[45:34.800 --> 45:37.800] like a glue on it or something like this.
[45:37.800 --> 45:38.800] Unbelievable.
[45:38.800 --> 45:39.800] Yeah, it did.
[45:39.800 --> 45:40.800] Now the media, the media.
[45:40.800 --> 45:47.120] Until, since Friday, until today, I cannot even forget what I saw, it is something very,
[45:47.120 --> 45:51.360] very, very hard, very hard.
[45:51.360 --> 45:55.120] Now you say that his head was, was it cut open or bashed open?
[45:55.120 --> 46:01.360] Oh, it's open, it's cut, although the skull cut was just like a sword, and empty everything,
[46:01.360 --> 46:06.120] like no brain, no nothing inside, and the head, only the skull, a skull with that, with
[46:06.120 --> 46:08.960] the hair, that's all what I saw.
[46:08.960 --> 46:12.400] That sounds like a cover up, like they may have shot him in the head or something and
[46:12.400 --> 46:17.120] taken the brain, this is, have you called the police and called for an investigation,
[46:17.120 --> 46:19.080] what have they said to you?
[46:19.080 --> 46:25.040] We are actually having a committee right now from the Islamic Center, and we're gonna,
[46:25.040 --> 46:27.960] we're gonna just fight for this.
[46:27.960 --> 46:30.480] We're not going to keep quiet as a Muslim community.
[46:30.480 --> 46:33.400] We are doing the right, the committee right now, and this committee, we're gonna just
[46:33.400 --> 46:37.760] call the police, call the FBI, call the hospital, who cut them like this, who just came like
[46:37.760 --> 46:38.760] this.
[46:38.760 --> 46:43.600] But this is not, it is against our religion 100% what we saw.
[46:43.600 --> 46:48.520] We cannot do something like this to any, any person, it is a, it is a barbaric act.
[46:48.520 --> 46:50.560] That's what I saw exactly, is a barbaric act.
[46:50.560 --> 46:55.320] Okay, to be clear, doctor, you believe that, that this was done previous to the autopsy,
[46:55.320 --> 46:56.800] you believe he was tortured?
[46:56.800 --> 47:03.520] Uh, I really, I cannot, I didn't know that, but you never know.
[47:03.520 --> 47:05.520] You never know.
[47:05.520 --> 47:08.920] Well, I mean, they show you up when they do an autopsy.
[47:08.920 --> 47:09.920] You're saying it was all laying over?
[47:09.920 --> 47:10.920] It was not.
[47:10.920 --> 47:11.920] He did it not.
[47:11.920 --> 47:13.800] They left it open in a barbaric way.
[47:13.800 --> 47:19.000] You know, honestly, honestly, just like somebody eating the body, it is a flush and, and, and
[47:19.000 --> 47:25.920] the store, all the flush and the blood outside the skin, you know, it is really, uh, I wish
[47:25.920 --> 47:27.920] I could, I can just like take a picture with that.
[47:27.920 --> 47:32.400] But they always, I mean, I mean, there's even state, well, there's even state regulations
[47:32.400 --> 47:33.400] on this.
[47:33.400 --> 47:37.440] They're supposed to sew a body up after, even if they're going to cremate it, that this
[47:37.440 --> 47:43.080] is, uh, so this is bizarre that, did you take any photos?
[47:43.080 --> 47:49.400] Unfortunately, it's not, we're not allowed Islamically to do that in Islamically.
[47:49.400 --> 47:53.920] We cannot take a photo and show it, but I, I really almost, I did that and just to show
[47:53.920 --> 47:58.080] the proof and why they did something like this to someone of us.
[47:58.080 --> 48:04.120] But, um, I, um, Islamically, we cannot do something like this.
[48:04.120 --> 48:08.200] But you have the, uh, witnesses who brought his body to you?
[48:08.200 --> 48:12.920] Uh, I, I, the, what, the, some agency, they carry him here straight.
[48:12.920 --> 48:16.440] It's like funeral agency.
[48:16.440 --> 48:20.080] And was it from the county medical examiner or the Austin coroner?
[48:20.080 --> 48:22.280] I really didn't know which one of them.
[48:22.280 --> 48:26.080] I can confirm that for you next week and I'll pick all the information and I can call you
[48:26.080 --> 48:28.120] with that, Mr. Jones.
[48:28.120 --> 48:31.760] What was it like for you after you saw what had happened to his body?
[48:31.760 --> 48:33.000] I'm sorry?
[48:33.000 --> 48:36.840] What was it like for you after you witnessed what, what his body looked like?
[48:36.840 --> 48:41.800] Oh, you know, the witness, I never, the guy, well, he's another Imam in another mosque
[48:41.800 --> 48:43.640] here in Austin.
[48:43.640 --> 48:50.360] When, when, when we opened the body, he opened his eyes on his mouth and he was like a fraud.
[48:50.360 --> 48:57.720] He cannot even, he was panic and, and then I looked at him, his, his face changed.
[48:57.720 --> 48:59.960] And then I said, I didn't know what to do, Dr. Ramali.
[48:59.960 --> 49:02.240] And I said, uh, don't worry, I will wash him.
[49:02.240 --> 49:04.000] I was panicking myself.
[49:04.000 --> 49:08.640] And the other guy, he's an old fellow and, uh, and he said, I didn't know.
[49:08.640 --> 49:10.400] I never saw something like this in my life.
[49:10.400 --> 49:11.560] You know what it sounds like to me?
[49:11.560 --> 49:17.480] It sounds like this is a message to you, uh, to not tell me to leave him all laid open
[49:17.480 --> 49:22.680] and cut open with his, I guess his guts were all hanging out in the bag or believe me,
[49:22.680 --> 49:27.520] Mr. Jones, I say that in my lecture on my ceremony, I say this is a message for all
[49:27.520 --> 49:33.040] Muslims and whoever worked for against the war for peace activists, this is a message
[49:33.040 --> 49:34.040] for all of us.
[49:34.040 --> 49:35.920] Now, now you say he had bruises on his face.
[49:35.920 --> 49:38.200] Did it look like he'd been beaten?
[49:38.200 --> 49:40.760] Um, it looks some bruises.
[49:40.760 --> 49:46.560] I don't know the beating or because of the water or, uh, some cloth and I really cannot
[49:46.560 --> 49:48.400] tell, uh, because we are panicking.
[49:48.400 --> 49:49.400] You know, you cannot get.
[49:49.400 --> 49:52.080] What does the family think happened to him?
[49:52.080 --> 49:57.760] Uh, unfortunately, the family is very afraid, all of them, no exception.
[49:57.760 --> 50:01.320] I tried to speak with them and unfortunately, you know, they are really panicked.
[50:01.320 --> 50:02.960] They are very afraid.
[50:02.960 --> 50:08.760] You know, Mr. Jones, what, what's going on to the Muslims after September 11 is, is,
[50:08.760 --> 50:10.200] is, is disaster.
[50:10.200 --> 50:15.800] We are accused with anything we do, even kids playing with the water gun, their, their family
[50:15.800 --> 50:18.160] arrested water gun, you know, the water gun.
[50:18.160 --> 50:22.520] I took my kids to the Toys R Us and my son, he want to have a water gun.
[50:22.520 --> 50:24.520] I said, no, we're not allowed to do that.
[50:24.520 --> 50:29.520] I said, dad, we are American and I say, yes, we are American, but we are, we are special.
[50:29.520 --> 50:31.520] So stay there.
[50:31.520 --> 50:33.240] Doctor, stay there.
[50:33.240 --> 50:34.240] We've got a break.
[50:34.240 --> 50:42.080] I want to come back and talk to Ibrahim, Dr. Ibrahim, uh, Dromali, who is our guest today.
[50:42.080 --> 50:53.960] We're talking about the suspicious death of Brayid, Brayad, we'll be right back.
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[54:04.080 --> 54:24.080] Ibrahim Dramali is our guest, we're talking about Riyadh, Hamad, I mean they always show
[54:24.080 --> 54:29.960] you up unless they're trying to cover up things, look like you had bruises on him, all sliced
[54:29.960 --> 54:33.040] open, cut open in a bag with everything hanging out.
[54:33.040 --> 54:39.080] This is just an incredibly insulting and abusive move whether it was from torture or an autopsy
[54:39.080 --> 54:43.600] or what, this is a massive cover up sir.
[54:43.600 --> 54:46.600] The police first said they believed he'd been murdered then they spun it and said that he'd
[54:46.600 --> 54:50.800] killed himself, they claim they have a tape showing him walking down to the river but
[54:50.800 --> 54:56.080] they won't release it, it doesn't show him supposedly jumping in, what do you think happened
[54:56.080 --> 54:57.080] here?
[54:57.080 --> 55:05.040] As I said, Mr. John, he's a Muslim and he knows very well he cannot kill himself.
[55:05.040 --> 55:09.720] As with the Muslims we don't kill ourselves, we don't kill innocent, as God mentioned in
[55:09.720 --> 55:15.560] the Quran said whoever killed himself he will have an eternal life and hellfire.
[55:15.560 --> 55:23.240] Plus Mr. Riyadh, Mr. Hamad, he's a person for a PhD and he has kids and family and he
[55:23.240 --> 55:29.400] has a mission in his life, it doesn't make sense to anybody regardless who is that person,
[55:29.400 --> 55:33.840] Muslim, Christian or Jew that he will kill himself with this kind of things going on
[55:33.840 --> 55:36.840] in his life.
[55:36.840 --> 55:43.880] Overall, yesterday actually we have some friends, his friends came and visit me and
[55:43.880 --> 55:51.200] just to thank me because what I did and I asked him, I said he was a religious person
[55:51.200 --> 55:56.360] and he said he's a Muslim, he's a regular Muslim and he knows very well killing himself
[55:56.360 --> 56:00.360] it is a prohibitive.
[56:00.360 --> 56:05.320] Yeah I've seen a lot of these murder suicides where the authorities claim that you committed
[56:05.320 --> 56:09.240] suicide and it's always the same MO, they don't quote the family member, they don't
[56:09.240 --> 56:17.000] quote the friend, they just vaguely say yeah he'd been upset and then they kill you and
[56:17.000 --> 56:22.120] make it look like that you killed yourself but in this case Gary Webb exposed CIA drug
[56:22.120 --> 56:25.680] dealing, they shot him twice in the head and the police said oh it's normal to shoot yourself
[56:25.680 --> 56:29.560] twice in the head, that's a quote, they said they see it all the time which there is no
[56:29.560 --> 56:36.320] known case of it, I actually looked it up in criminology, in some of the criminology lexicons
[56:36.320 --> 56:41.840] and encyclopedias that are online and there's no known real cases of it, there's cases people
[56:41.840 --> 56:47.520] shooting themselves multiple times in the chest who are crazy but the power of blowing
[56:47.520 --> 56:51.960] his own jaw off then shooting himself in the head and we saw a cop of the year who exposed
[56:51.960 --> 56:55.520] the government bombing Oklahoma city, they tortured him to death, shot him twice in the
[56:55.520 --> 56:58.680] back of the head, claimed it was suicide.
[56:58.680 --> 57:03.640] Why do you think they would go so far as to then send you the body all sliced up when
[57:03.640 --> 57:08.400] that's not by law, the coroner has a procedure, they're supposed to sew him back up even if
[57:08.400 --> 57:11.720] this was just the coroner?
[57:11.720 --> 57:15.880] You know something else, I think by the law also they have to take permission from the
[57:15.880 --> 57:16.880] family to do that.
[57:16.880 --> 57:21.520] That's right, you have to get permission, they have to have permission from the most
[57:21.520 --> 57:24.600] because there's a religious issue he was talking about.
[57:24.600 --> 57:29.000] Let me stop you, this is absolutely key, you have to get permission from the family for
[57:29.000 --> 57:35.200] an autopsy generally and this was in less than 24 hours, the point is that they would
[57:35.200 --> 57:37.000] always sew him back up.
[57:37.000 --> 57:42.640] Yeah, he was not, he was not like that, open and believe it or not, it's not like a normal
[57:42.640 --> 57:48.640] cut, it is absolutely not a normal cut and it is straight, yes, but if you look at it
[57:48.640 --> 57:55.280] as a flush and the meat comes out of the body, you know, it's something just like things
[57:55.280 --> 58:00.880] you see in an animal channel, discovery in the jungle, that's what I saw, something in
[58:00.880 --> 58:05.200] the jungle, somebody, an animal attacking another animal or animal attacking a human
[58:05.200 --> 58:06.560] being or something like that.
[58:06.560 --> 58:11.960] So he was just ripped to shreds, absolutely as Mr. John.
[58:11.960 --> 58:14.000] We're going to call you back on your cell phones, you've got to get out of your office
[58:14.000 --> 58:17.640] for a moment, we're going to call you back right now or to put you on hold, sir, please
[58:17.640 --> 58:24.160] give the network your cell phone number, we'll be right back with Dr. Ramali in 70 seconds
[58:24.160 --> 58:28.680] as we go into the second hour, you wanted us to investigate this, we are investigating
[58:28.680 --> 58:35.880] it, we will continue to investigate it no matter how dangerous.
[58:35.880 --> 58:44.560] Thank you for listening to GCN, be sure to visit GCNLive.com today.
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[59:46.840 --> 59:58.400] Waging war on corruption, Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
[59:58.400 --> 59:59.400] Government cover-ups.
[59:59.400 --> 1:00:00.400] You want answers?
[1:00:00.400 --> 1:00:01.400] Well, so does he.
[1:00:01.400 --> 1:00:11.400] He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network, and now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
[1:00:11.400 --> 1:00:16.600] There is so much global news, there are so many things I want to cover, just massive
[1:00:16.600 --> 1:00:20.760] transmission lined up for you today.
[1:00:20.760 --> 1:00:28.000] So, the Costillo raided, being set up, former DEA agent, were going on a showtime documentary.
[1:00:28.000 --> 1:00:31.120] David made fun of him and said he shouldn't have done the documentary about government
[1:00:31.120 --> 1:00:32.120] drug dealing.
[1:00:32.120 --> 1:00:36.520] He'll be in studio with us in an hour and a half, into the fourth hour today.
[1:00:36.520 --> 1:00:40.320] Right now, for this segment, part of the next, and I've got all this other huge news, we
[1:00:40.320 --> 1:00:44.240] are joined by Dr. Ibrahim Dromali.
[1:00:44.240 --> 1:00:49.600] He is the head of the Islamic Center for Greater Austin, the largest Islamic organization here
[1:00:49.600 --> 1:00:51.560] in Austin.
[1:00:51.560 --> 1:01:00.280] He washed the body of Riyadh Hamid, who was bound, gagged, thrown on the river.
[1:01:00.280 --> 1:01:03.120] Police first reported over scanners, they believed he'd been murdered.
[1:01:03.120 --> 1:01:05.880] For a day they said that, then they put out a release that, well, they thought he bound
[1:01:05.880 --> 1:01:13.880] himself and killed himself, and it looks like he was tortured, looks like he was, that's
[1:01:13.880 --> 1:01:17.560] what I got from people that were at TV stations, was that, yeah, it looked like he was in great
[1:01:17.560 --> 1:01:23.240] pain, like that he was cut, that he had been hurt.
[1:01:23.240 --> 1:01:26.440] People can try to rationalize that and say, oh, well, he was bumping into rocks and things
[1:01:26.440 --> 1:01:27.440] in the river.
[1:01:27.440 --> 1:01:31.400] It's a very slow-moving, dirt-bottomed river over there.
[1:01:31.400 --> 1:01:36.200] It's not like it moves about a mile an hour or less, I mean, in a day, he only moved what
[1:01:36.200 --> 1:01:37.560] 500 yards they were saying.
[1:01:37.560 --> 1:01:40.880] Give me an idea of this lazy river, because it's a dam, it's Colorado River.
[1:01:40.880 --> 1:01:44.160] It's dammed up for the city.
[1:01:44.160 --> 1:01:49.240] Now they get the body, and the coroner supposedly had it, and everything sliced, bashed open,
[1:01:49.240 --> 1:01:55.960] brain's gone, huge slices everywhere.
[1:01:55.960 --> 1:02:00.280] Were these slices into muscle, like saying it starts on an arm, did it just gouge into
[1:02:00.280 --> 1:02:01.280] the muscle?
[1:02:01.280 --> 1:02:04.200] I hate to get detailed here, sir, but you watched the body, you saw it.
[1:02:04.200 --> 1:02:08.280] I mean, were these just, because it was a coroner, it would just be a slice into the
[1:02:08.280 --> 1:02:12.120] skin, opening the skin up to see the innards, or was it gouged in?
[1:02:12.120 --> 1:02:15.200] I mean, describe that for me, doctor.
[1:02:15.200 --> 1:02:22.640] Actually, the one, especially in the middle, they put all instance and whatever inside
[1:02:22.640 --> 1:02:28.440] the stomach in a plastic bag, and they put the plastic bag inside the body, inside the
[1:02:28.440 --> 1:02:29.940] stomach again.
[1:02:29.940 --> 1:02:35.640] And the one from the shoulder, you know, where the whole muscle comes out of the body, completely
[1:02:35.640 --> 1:02:37.320] out of the body.
[1:02:37.320 --> 1:02:44.000] And it looks like, I don't know if you have your spotter, some kind of goat or animal,
[1:02:44.000 --> 1:02:50.320] and exactly the same way, when you watch some kind of animal, you kill an animal or something,
[1:02:50.320 --> 1:02:51.320] exactly the same.
[1:02:51.320 --> 1:02:52.320] I mean, it's...
[1:02:52.320 --> 1:02:56.920] You're saying, you're saying it looked like he'd been stabbed through the top of the shoulder
[1:02:56.920 --> 1:02:57.920] down into the heart?
[1:02:57.920 --> 1:02:58.920] It looks like...
[1:02:58.920 --> 1:03:05.880] Yeah, for those that don't know, with a large blade, what you do is you stab somebody right
[1:03:05.880 --> 1:03:12.360] below the collar bone on the front, in that opening, right above the collar bone, just
[1:03:12.360 --> 1:03:13.840] straight down into the heart.
[1:03:13.840 --> 1:03:16.000] Is that what you're saying, doctor?
[1:03:16.000 --> 1:03:19.160] From the shoulder all the way to the stomach, in the middle of the stomach, exactly, where
[1:03:19.160 --> 1:03:21.960] is the stomach between the two, the line?
[1:03:21.960 --> 1:03:24.560] You're saying an internal puncture?
[1:03:24.560 --> 1:03:25.560] Yes.
[1:03:25.560 --> 1:03:26.560] Oh my God.
[1:03:26.560 --> 1:03:27.560] Yes.
[1:03:27.560 --> 1:03:37.880] And all the way, and just like, you know, the simple, the simple, exactly the same way.
[1:03:37.880 --> 1:03:47.520] And only one rope in the middle, catching all those skins together, and everything
[1:03:47.520 --> 1:03:48.520] open.
[1:03:48.520 --> 1:03:53.680] His head, you know, Mr. John, really, really, if you saw it, I don't know that his head
[1:03:53.680 --> 1:04:00.240] was cut because it was laying down on his back, and I felt something cracked mid-sound.
[1:04:00.240 --> 1:04:06.280] And when I looked, I tried to move his head, part of his head, half of his head completely
[1:04:06.280 --> 1:04:07.280] in my hand.
[1:04:07.280 --> 1:04:08.280] That's all.
[1:04:08.280 --> 1:04:09.280] My God.
[1:04:09.280 --> 1:04:10.280] It is a disaster.
[1:04:10.280 --> 1:04:17.200] I really start to cry, and I look at that, I didn't know the person before, and when
[1:04:17.200 --> 1:04:23.040] I read the newspaper in the morning, before I know that he's coming to the mall for walking,
[1:04:23.040 --> 1:04:29.080] I read about him, I googled him, and I said, oh my God, look at that, and it's, it's, it's
[1:04:29.080 --> 1:04:30.960] anybody to work for peace.
[1:04:30.960 --> 1:04:33.880] It'll be, I said to the people, my people, my people.
[1:04:33.880 --> 1:04:34.880] Okay, stay there.
[1:04:34.880 --> 1:04:35.880] Final segment, sir.
[1:04:35.880 --> 1:04:36.880] We've got a break real fast.
[1:04:36.880 --> 1:04:39.920] We'll be right back with you, Doctor.
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[1:07:51.960 --> 1:07:58.520] From his Central Texas Command Center deep behind enemy lines, the Information War continues.
[1:07:58.520 --> 1:08:06.440] It's Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.
[1:08:06.440 --> 1:08:12.840] Full segment with the head of the Islamic Center for Greater Austin, Dr. Ibrahim Dromali.
[1:08:12.840 --> 1:08:20.240] I was asking him during the break, if he tried to talk to the media, he says they have a
[1:08:20.240 --> 1:08:23.680] committee together, they're going to put out a press release, but that they've been
[1:08:23.680 --> 1:08:27.800] contacted by TV stations and hadn't talked to them yet, just because he said he told
[1:08:27.800 --> 1:08:31.720] me during the break, because they've been not telling the truth.
[1:08:31.720 --> 1:08:36.760] What is the truth, in summation, any other key points, doctor, and why you didn't talk
[1:08:36.760 --> 1:08:39.520] to them, other media, but you talked to us?
[1:08:39.520 --> 1:08:47.160] Mr. Jones, unfortunately, as Muslims, we have a very bad experience with the media, especially
[1:08:47.160 --> 1:08:49.000] me myself personally.
[1:08:49.000 --> 1:08:53.920] A lot of people attack me sometimes, and the media never say the truth.
[1:08:53.920 --> 1:08:59.080] One newspaper, only one newspaper and one radio station in Iowa say the truth.
[1:08:59.080 --> 1:09:03.520] They fight for, again, the world, just like you, and he is the only one, and the reason
[1:09:03.520 --> 1:09:07.440] he was attacked from everyone in Iowa.
[1:09:07.440 --> 1:09:13.760] So I don't want to speak with them, there are some TV stations that try to protect me,
[1:09:13.760 --> 1:09:14.760] unfortunately.
[1:09:14.760 --> 1:09:18.480] I don't want to speak with them because they are never say the truth, and I don't trust
[1:09:18.480 --> 1:09:19.480] them at all.
[1:09:19.480 --> 1:09:25.040] While I was listening to your show, I believe you really work for peace, and you won't really
[1:09:25.040 --> 1:09:29.400] compete in this country, so that's why I would have the courage to speak with you.
[1:09:29.400 --> 1:09:33.960] Well, we do appreciate your courage, and I hadn't talked to you before.
[1:09:33.960 --> 1:09:36.200] I didn't know that you saw this the same way.
[1:09:36.200 --> 1:09:42.040] His body all cut up like that, which violates state regulations and law.
[1:09:42.040 --> 1:09:45.600] His body all cut up, and you said that you believe-
[1:09:45.600 --> 1:09:50.480] Mr. Jones, I was in two states before attacks.
[1:09:50.480 --> 1:09:55.640] I was in Florida before, I was in Iowa before, and before anything happened like this, something
[1:09:55.640 --> 1:10:03.280] happened like this, somebody got killed, somebody accident, they almost got attacked and-
[1:10:03.280 --> 1:10:04.280] Hello?
[1:10:04.280 --> 1:10:05.280] Hello?
[1:10:05.280 --> 1:10:08.560] Yes, sir, I'm here, continue.
[1:10:08.560 --> 1:10:11.600] We just have a little cut out in our line to you.
[1:10:11.600 --> 1:10:13.080] Go ahead, please continue.
[1:10:13.080 --> 1:10:18.240] Yeah, normally the agency, the hospitals, the police, they contacted the Islamic center
[1:10:18.240 --> 1:10:20.240] before they do anything.
[1:10:20.240 --> 1:10:24.760] They contacted the Islamic center before, even contacted his family first, and to see what
[1:10:24.760 --> 1:10:26.960] is the procedure to do.
[1:10:26.960 --> 1:10:32.440] But I found out, unfortunately, the only place here in Austin, they just did whatever they
[1:10:32.440 --> 1:10:37.600] want without taking permission from the family, or for us as a religious leader in the area.