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Hannes Wellmann edited this page Jun 27, 2024 · 21 revisions

Upcoming and past meetings are listed in the Eclipse IDE Community calendar

Objective

Everyone that participates or is interested in participating in the development of the Eclipse core itself is invited to join, newcomers are explicitly encouraged to join too. It is planned as an open meeting without a fixed agenda, where everyone can suggest to discuss general or specific topics, changes or issues or can ask questions. This call is dedicated to the development of the core of Eclipse itself, mainly the top-level projects Eclipse-Platform, Equinox, Eclipse Java development tools (JDT) and Eclipse Plug-in Development Environment (PDE). It is not intended to provide support for users or consumers of Eclipse, for that other channels exists. If specific issues or changes are discussed, the exchanged arguments should be summarized in the corresponding issues or Pull-Requests and if decisions are made they should be justified. Of course others not participating in the call should still have the same chance to influence a decision.

Meeting minutes

  • 13th June 2024

    The following topics were discussed

    • General discussion about 'Corporate Capture' of Eclipse and how it affects the innovation at Eclipse in general and about how to improve the founding situation of smaller, yet essential projects.
    • IDE UI "is very chaotic. For example, the context menus are very disorganized. How could they get cleaned up in a meaningful way?"
    • "The documentation is overwhelming for beginners and good resources are hard to find."
      • "It's all there but especially the official resources/docs are hard to find"
      • "Many unrelated things on the main page"
        Suggestions to consider a clean-up of or to make the documentation leaner

    Because of overwhelming doc and UI the suggestion was made to discuss if the the position of EPPs Packages should be strengthens with a product-owner for each package that makes sure the default content of these packages looks good and the documentation is cleaned up.

  • 27th June 2024

    The following topics were discussed

    • Discussion about the requirement of the Eclipse-IDE respectively the requiring Java-21
      • It would be nice to inform the user better during the update-process, for example show a corresponding dialog in the IDE.
      • Discussion about if/when Eclipse SDK/top-levle projects should require Java-21
        • Set up rules for Eclipse SDK/top-level projects (PMC TODO)
        • Suggestion to add code that uses
        • Code that uses Java-22 Foreign Function and Memory Access API could be placed in dedicated fragment to be usable before Java-25 is used in general.
    • Appeal to re-use existing images or shared images to not replicate e.g. a close icon in 20 bundles (which is currently the case). It unnecessarily increases the size of an installation, the required memory at runtime and the time to load all images. Problem: Icons are resources and not 'API'.
      • Images in platform plugins are quite stable.
      • Suggestion: Generate constants (e.g. by PDE) that represent contained resources and provide coordinates to access them. The class and its constants are API and therefore the resources implicitly become part of the API, which can be checked with existing tools. Issue created: https://github.com/eclipse-pde/eclipse.pde/discussions/1315
      • It should be discussed and stated if the path of the referenced resources within the bundle may change and if the content of the resources may change, while preserving the purpose. E.g. may a close-icon be redesigned while still being a close-icon.
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