Rename "Note to self"

[marcoambrosini]

This doesn't sound right
Other ideas: "My notes" or "Quick notes" or "Talk notes"
cc @nextcloud/designers

[nickvergessen]

If was "My notes" and we were asked by designers to rename it to "Note to self" 😅

[marcoambrosini]

I never heard the expression "to self" used that way anywhere. Whose self? At least it should be "myself"?

Still think that there are better ways to express this. Maybe we should consult with native English speakers?

[nickvergessen]

Well we try to not use me, my, etc because the rest of the software uses "you", like even the subline in your screenshot. It doesn't say "I created the conversation", but "you".

But I guess this is overthinking. People can rename it. Non-english speakers have it translated, etc.

[marcoambrosini]

"Your notes"

True, it's not a big deal, it just has less clarity that it could have with a simpler expression.

[marcoambrosini]

Personal notes, as they're called in the menu where that conversation is created?

[jancborchardt]

We talked about it with @nextcloud/designers and "Personal notes" (plural) is the one we prefer – good call @marcoambrosini. And in the menu "Add personal notes" ("Add" instead of "New", and plural here too)

• It will work much better with translation than "Note to self" which is sort of specific to English
• It is nicer than what Telegram and Slack do, which literally show "[Your name] (you)", which is very strange to read all the time and doesn’t make it obvious what it is from looking at the list

[Ivansss]

What about the text for the action of adding a personal note in the action menu of chat messages? @nextcloud/designers

[nimishavijay]

@Ivansss We could do "Add to personal notes"? :) cc @jancborchardt

[nickvergessen]

That translates to "Zu persönliche Notizen hinzufügen" in german which is waaaaaay to long 🙈

[Ivansss]

What about if we just say "Add to notes" only in this action menu?
So we don't end up with such a long string inside this menu.

[SystemKeeper]

We need to change that in the changelog as well:

spreed/lib/Chat/Changelog/Manager.php

Line 141 in 982fd59

. $this->l->t('- Use the **Note to self** conversation to take notes and share information between your devices') . "\n"

[nickvergessen]

String freeze passed. So I guess will not fix anymore?

[SystemKeeper]

Okay, so. then we close nextcloud/talk-ios#1432 as well? @Ivansss

[nickvergessen]

I never heard the expression "to self" used that way anywhere. Whose self? At least it should be "myself"?

https://support.signal.org/hc/en-us/articles/360043272451-Note-to-Self
https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/note+to+self

Looks okay from general point of view.
We are also past string freeze, so checking with Marketing if that was screenshoted already.

[nimishavijay]

Checked with marketing on the screenshot, let's keep it this way for this release as they have already screenshotted Talk a bunch of times. However we should keep an eye on the translations as that was the main motive behind renaming it.

[marcoambrosini]

This is likely to generate translations that won't make any sense in italian, french, spanish, portuguese. Many more for sure. I think it's wrong to prioritize screenshot consistency here.

[nickvergessen]

This is likely to generate translations that won't make any sense in italian, french, spanish, portuguese.

Then just post the samples of signal in those languages and I will make sure they get used in same fashion

[nickvergessen]

"note to self" has 3.3bn search results on Google. Sounds like it's good enough spread to me.

[nimishavijay]

English: Note to self
Deutsch: Notiz an mich
French: Note à moi-même
Spanish: Notas privadas
Portuguese: Anotações
Italian: Note personali

Source: https://support.signal.org/hc/en-us/articles/360043272451-Note-to-Self (change language in language selector top right)