I request support for Winbond W25R256JWEQ / 1,7 V - 1,95 V #107
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Did you ever find an answer? im stuck in the same boat with that exact bios chip but on a GPD win 4 2023. Ive been looking everywhere and im trying to avoid sending it back to the manufacturer. Hopefully you get this message soon. |
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Same here, i have the same issue with the same GPD Win4 2023 |
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Just fixed mine, i used NeoProgrammer instead :D did a whole writeup on the GPD Discord (in win_4_general chat) |
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@Torrengen Can you share your NeoProgrammer download link? I can find it on the internet but never have the same version that supports Winbond W25R256JWEQ / 1,7 V - 1,95 V chip :( Please help :(( |
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@NGOTRUNG6191 here u go :) |
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OMG, you are a life saver, thank you very much. |
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Is there an answer? I am also trying to find a way to get reflash the bios of my amd framework mainboard |
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Unfortunately I have not found any answers. I ended up shipping my gpd back
to Hong Kong it just delivered today. They said they would cover it under
warranty but we will see how long it takes for them to repair it. Huge
disappointment. This chip is too new I couldn't find any programs that
would let me write to it.
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Is there an answer? I am also trying to find a way to get reflash the bios
of my amd framework mainboard
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Yup, I'm still waiting to get mine back right now. They have had it for
about a month but said they are going to move it up the repair list to
prioritize it. Man I miss mine. It's been too long without it.
…On Fri, May 10, 2024, 6:58 AM Andrei ***@***.***> wrote:
Same here, i have the same issue with the same GPD Win4 2023
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I found a programmer that supports the BIOS chip they use, it is called REVELPROG-IS and on the producer site it mentions support for W25R256JW. I will try that one and return with my findings. The other solution i found is ask GPD for an already programmed chip and ship it my way. That will be my backup plan. |
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Seems u need their programmer to use their software though, i made it work with NeoProgrammer instead :) |
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Their software is free to download, i didn't mind, i got the spare chips and successfully flashed one and verified it matches the rom file. However after replacing the chip i still get no boot and no power led. I might end up sending it to GPD in the end. GPD did reply and they are sending a flashed chip my way but i got little hopes that one will work. |
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Ah yeh it shouldn't matter as long as they make contact with the chip and manage to read/write and verify :) Did u make sure the BIOS u flashed was the correct one? that's what made me brick my GPD WIN 4 in the first place, turns out they got a different one for my 6800u version xD No Power LED sounds like a power issue though, i still got the LED even on a bricked device, so u might have to let it sit in the charger for a while first... either way, good luck with the flashed chip! |
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my power issue happened right after the bios finished flashing and tried to restart. |
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Yeah probably better than sending your entire GPD to them. It's been a long
time without mine.
Appreciate the info though sure it will help someone else here.
…On Sat, May 11, 2024, 5:32 AM Andrei ***@***.***> wrote:
I found a programmer that supports the BIOS chip they use, it is called
REVELPROG-IS and on the producer site it mentions support for W25R256JW. I
will try that one and return with my findings.
The other solution i found is ask GPD for an already programmed chip and
ship it my way. That will be my backup plan.
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Btw guys, i have resd somewhere, that you can just edit a config file or something, and it should work with the controller |
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If you can find the exact tutorial then please share, i have not been able to write to it so far |
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Yes, i have been searching. I found it once, wanted to try it, but couldnt at that time and now i cant find that anymore. |
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Btw, i have found the forum, its here https://www.mikrocontroller.net/topic/558910 but its german |
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I just read this and got excited.
Damn.
Well, I can tell you so far it's been maybe a month and a half since I sent
mine to gpd. 3 days ago they sent me a picture of the Win 4 turned on and
at the windows login and asked for my address to send it back.
Just thought I'd let you know, that's where I'm at so far.
…On Sat, May 25, 2024, 10:10 AM Andrei ***@***.***> wrote:
Their software is free to download, i didn't mind, i got the spare chips
and successfully flashed one and verified it matches the rom file. However
after replacing the chip i still get no boot and no power led. I might end
up sending it to GPD in the end.
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Nice! as long as it gets fixed, i guess it doesnt matter how :D |
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That makes sense. I have the 2023 version and flashed the 2022 version
bios. My power light just shut off completely. Tried leaving it plugged in
with no luck. Sent it in to GPD and waiting for a response but I can ask
them for sure if there was a power issue or if it was the bios chip. My
guess is the bios was the issue but it's possible I'm wrong. I'll try to
get some more info on that.
…On Sat, May 25, 2024, 10:20 AM Torrengen ***@***.***> wrote:
Ah yeh it shouldn't matter as long as they make contact with the chip and
manage to read/write and verify :) Did u make sure the BIOS u flashed was
the correct one? that's what made me brick my GPD WIN 4 in the first place,
turns out they got a different one for my 6800u version xD
No Power LED sounds like a power issue though, i still got the LED even on
a bricked device, so u might have to let it sit in the charger for a while
first... either way, good luck with the flashed chip!
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Yeah I don't blame you. I would have preferred to fix it myself like you
but couldn't get the things to flash with the bios chip being new it's
difficult finding any info on it. I'm interested to know how you got it
flashed and when the power light still isn't on. Does make me wonder if the
power really is an issue here. I do remember after the flash the light was
on and the fan was at full blast I waited a good 30 minutes thinking it was
still doing something. Eventually shut it off and that's when the power
light was off and I couldn't get it back on again. So the flashing itself
didn't fry out anything as if the bios wasn't fully wiped until I turned it
off.
…On Sat, May 25, 2024, 10:23 AM Torrengen ***@***.***> wrote:
Nice! as long as it gets fixed, i guess it doesnt matter how :D
It was personally way cheaper and quicker for me to buy the components and
fix it myself though, than sending it across the world and back for a
repair ^^"
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indeed, that's basically how mine behaved, though i could get it to spin back up if i held the reset button and power button in for a few secs, it always just shut itself off again before anything showed on the screen etc. At least the charging & power circuitry seems to be unconnected to the BIOS so it wasnt much risk of an explosive failure, but it still sucked to have a 1200€ paperweight for months... The full write-up is on their Discord, but the TL:DR; version is i bought the CH341a programmer, a 1.8V adapter and a WSON 8x6mm pogo pin prober, and eventually managed to read the chip and re-program the Flash with the 32.786 kb file found in their BIOS driver :) The main issue was finding a software that recognized it since it seems to be a newer chip with less support so far, but after i found one that connected, it was surprisingly simple (though i had to hold the prober very still for 10 mins straight while it flashed it xD) |
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Hmm never tried the power button and reset at the same time so I can't
confirm on my end.
The whole situation just sucks.
Question, can you post that discord link here so others can see it?
Maybe someone else can get a little further possibly would be nice to have
a solution other than sending it to GPD to get fixed.
A $1200 paperwork is not what anyone wants lol at this point I just can't
Wait to get mine back at this point. Using my gaming laptop in the meantime
for some reason isn't better even with much higher specs hahahaha
…On Sat, May 25, 2024, 10:45 AM Torrengen ***@***.***> wrote:
indeed, that's basically how mine behaved, though i could get it to spin
back up if i held the reset button and power button in for a few secs, it
always just shut itself off again before anything showed on the screen etc.
At least the charging & power circuitry seems to be unconnected to the BIOS
so it wasnt much risk of an explosive failure, but it still sucked to have
a 1200€ paperweight for months...
The full write-up is on their Discord, but the TL:DR; version is i bought
the CH341a programmer, a 1.8V adapter and a WSON 8x6mm pogo pin prober, and
eventually managed to read the chip and re-program the Flash with the
32.786 kb file found in their BIOS driver :) The main issue was finding a
software that recognized it since it seems to be a newer chip with less
support so far, but after i found one that connected, it was surprisingly
simple (though i had to hold the prober very still for 10 mins straight
while it flashed it xD)
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it's the first one that pops up on Google, dunno how permanent they are but this one works at least: No kidding about finding info on this tho, even went as far as google translating random russian and german websites xD but trial n error prevailed, once i had the right equipment ^^ |
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LOL I did the same thing too 🤣
For anyone that wants the directions from Discord I posted it below:
BTW figured id give some more info about un-bricking the bios flash:
First, i had to wait ages for 3 things to arrive in the mail:
- 1 flash programmer, namely CH341a (i got the B variant but i think its
just a bugfixed version, it uses the same drivers etc without issue)
- a 1.8V converter, seeing as the BIOS chip used was a Winbond 25R256JWEQ
- 8x6mm WSON-8 pogo pin prober, buy 2 just in case one breaks/is DOA,
they're delicate.
Get the CH341 drivers from their own website here:
https://www.wch-ic.com/downloads/CH341SER_ZIP.html
There's aparently a bunch of Flash programmer softwares out there, one guy
on Reddit (
https://www.reddit.com/r/gpdwin/comments/v80t43/success_unbricking_gpd_win_max_2021/?rdt=42318
) recommended ASProgrammer, but their newest version didn't support my
chip, so i used NeoProgrammer v2.2.0.10 (24.05.2024) myself.
Hook it all up, make sure the fuse on the CH341a bridges the 1 & 2 (this
selects progamming from a PC, apparently), and the 1.8V converter is locked
into the 25xx slot (closest to the USB port). Make sure to note the
orientation by the pin and notch.
Find the BIOS chip, mine was luckily next to the CPU and RAM here ->
Double-check that all the cables are unhooked, especially the battery (i
put a piece of tape between it to make sure)
Before you start probing, verify that the programmer's red LED is on and
bright, and you have the new BIOS handy. I got mine from downloading
https://gpd.hk/gpdwin4firmwaredriver -> Drivers & BIOS -> (New) WIN 4 BIOS
V3.06, and selecting WIN4_19_0606A/G1618-04_V3.06.rom (32 786kb).
Make sure your hand is resting on something, then start prodding the chip,
making sure all the pins line up and make contact, i struggled with this
for a good while before making it work.
Once you do, keep clicking the "Detect IC" button while jiggling the probes
a bit between each run untill it shows up.
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it's the first one that pops up on Google, dunno how permanent they are
but this one works at least:
https://discord.com/invite/gpd-devices-243411108940087297
No kidding about finding info on this tho, even went as far as google
translating random russian and german websites xD but trial n error
prevailed, once i had the right equipment ^^
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u did forget the 2nd part tho xD
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@mfoster978 Can you share your NeoProgrammer download link? I can find it on the internet but never have the same version that supports Winbond W25R256JWEQ / 1,7 V - 1,95 V chip :( Please help :(( |
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Oops lol thank you. Hopefully others here might have a working solution. I
mean mines fixed but if for some reason it happens again if like to be able
to fix it myself you know.
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u did forget the 2nd part tho xD
When it shows up, the real fun starts, as now you're gonna hold that
position perfectly for like 10 minutes straight.
First Read the IC, to make sure you have good contact. This can take about
5 mins. When it finishes, click Verify, which shouldnt take nearly as long.
If it's all successful, open the new BIOS file, and make sure all these
options are selected:
Off-protect, Erase, Write, Verify. (don't need a Blank Check)
Now, write to the IC, and be patient. After 5-10 minutes it should all be
done with a green Success from the verification.
Then it's time to hook everything up, make sure the cooling system is
screwed in (i personally just held it on with my fingers for a test boot),
and pray to whatever diety you believe in 😄When it shows up, the real fun
starts, as now you're gonna hold that position perfectly for like 10
minutes straight.
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I have the 7840u version. Figured that was late 2023 version.
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my power issue happened right after the bios finished flashing and tried
to restart.
I have the 2023 version so 7680 one might behave differently
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i corrected my post , i have the same one ... 64bit 4tb, i might try flashing another chip, test read it a few times and then put it on the board. |
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Either way please keep us posted I'm curious. If I could do some testing
myself I would but for obvious reasons I can't. There has to be a way to
get it working.
I'm curious if the original bios chip burned out myself.
Still waiting on a response from GPD on what happened with mine but I won't
hear back from them until probably Monday or Tuesday.
…On Sat, May 25, 2024, 3:43 PM Andrei ***@***.***> wrote:
i corrected my post , i have the same one ... 64bit 4tb, i might try
flashing another chip, test read it a few times and then put it on the
board.
i don't have a power draw indicator but i have a cable that lights up when
connected to a usb device that takes a charge.
I saw the cable does light up and after a few seconds it turns of and on
again, only once.
So there are some signs of life but not much.... tried re-seating the chip
but to no avail.
I have 4 more spares so i still have a few shots left.
I will also try and read the old chip to see if it burnt itself out after
the botched flash.
If that one is dead then there are chances other resistors/caps or other
components near the chip also burned out.... and in that case i have no
choice but to have it fixed by GPD
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tried the old chip, it was not burned out. |
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The weird thing is ... now that i think about it... is that the firmware that was already on the chip looked to be the same one i was uploading. |
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did you do a straight write, or did you select Unlock->Erase->Write->Verify? as for which chip, it should be the correct one if it's a Winbond 25xNNN smth, where the NNN should match the size of your BIOS file :) |
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Tried to upload the older firmware with the same result, chip reads fine...erased...written and verified twice |
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Okay so I just got word the GPD was delivered back to my house but won't be
home for a couple days so my neighbor grabbed it for me.
Anyways I sent an email to Sophie asking exactly what went bad. I know some
of us are thinking it's more than just the chip for those that had similar
issues as me so I figured it would be helpful if she talked to the repair
guy and got back with me.
Ill keep you posted.
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Tried to upload the older firmware with the same result, chip reads
fine...erased...written and verified twice
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If you do have a programmer please try and get the bios firmware they uploaded...having a known good is always nice to have. |
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The programmer I have doesn't seem to work on this chip unfortunately.
Would need to buy a different one. I just have a cheap one.
I have the 7840u I believe the 2023 edition with 64gb of ram.
…On Tue, Jun 4, 2024, 9:49 PM Andrei ***@***.***> wrote:
If you do have a programmer please try and get the bios firmware they
uploaded...having a known good is always nice to have.
Also, can you confirm what model you have?
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Ok so at least i know the 2023 model is fixable when this kind of bios issue happens. |
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That's what I'm hoping for. I haven't heard back from her yet.
…On Wed, Jun 5, 2024, 10:14 AM Andrei ***@***.***> wrote:
Ok so at least i know the 2023 model is fixable when this kind of bios
issue happens.
What would really be great is for GPD to share with the community what to
check on the board other than the bios chip when we have a broken bios or
broken update/upload to the chip.
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How much did you end up spending on shipping+repair? And where are you from if I may ask...some countries have cheaper transport to/from China |
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I don't actually have a link or program to that. It was another guy here
that mentioned it.
The reply I got back from Sophie was very limited she told me they only
replaced the bios chip nothing else but im really not 100 percent sure.
Also the shipping from the US cheapest option was about $60 the repair was
free. I want charged for shipping back to me.
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@mfoster978 <https://github.com/mfoster978> Can you share your
NeoProgrammer download link? I can find it on the internet but never have
the same version that supports Winbond W25R256JWEQ / 1,7 V - 1,95 V chip :(
Please help :((
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interesting, if that was all that's needed (which it was for me), please share what the new chip's BIOS looks like when u get it back! A little sad that they didn't give much more info, but still, huge props for repairing it for free though, even if the shipping wasn't free! |
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Just received 2 chips from GPD with the bios already on them. I did not test any as of yet but here is a dump! |
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Chip replaced and I left it to charge a while. |
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In the end I had to send the unit back to them for repairs. The Amps never shot past 0.0X something. Most I can figure out is that the BIOS upgrade process messed more than just the BIOS Chip, perhaps something not mentioned but it would have been great if GPD gave us an actual fix process to follow. |
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Yeah I agree with you. Sadly I had to do the same thing. GPD did fix mine
for free although I did have to pay shipping to get it to them and it took
a few months to go back. Either way it's been working great for months now
and I've learned to never update the bios 😂
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In the end I had to send the unit back to them for repairs. The Amps never
shot past 0.0X something.
Got the device back a couple of weeks ago and all is working now.
Most I can figure out is that the BIOS upgrade process messed more than
just the BIOS Chip, perhaps something not mentioned but it would have been
great if GPD gave us an actual fix process to follow.
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They repaired mine for free as well, payed for transport a bunch though. Mine shipped to China in 4 days, stayed in their queue for a week and back to me in another 4 days. |
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Damn you got lucky! It took 3 months for me and the shipping cost me about
$120
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They repaired mine for free as well, payed for transport a bunch though.
Mine shipped to China in 4 days, stayed in their queue for a week and back
to me in another 4 days.
My conclusion is the same.... keep away from the BIOS upgrades!
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Hello,
AsProgrammer 2.0.4 does not recognize the W25R256JWEQ 1.8v connected via CH341A at 1.8v and cannot be written to.
@nofeletru Do you think support could be added please? If not, what do you use to flash the W25R256JW?
I would appreciate your help since it is to write a BIOS for an ASUS ROG ALLY
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