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title: "Minutes 2024-01-05"
date: 2024-01-05
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## View Attendee List

- Ben Straub (GSK)
- Dadong Zhang (Illumina)
- Eva Li
- Heidi Curinckx (Johnson & Johnson)
- HyeSoo Cho (FDA)
- Joseph Rickert (R Consortium)
- Margaret Wishart
- Nan Xiao (Merck)
- Ning Leng (Roche/Genentech)
- Paul Schuette (FDA)
- Robert Devine (Johnson & Johnson)
- Saghir Bashir (Argenx)
- Sam Parmar (Pfizer)
- Steven Hasendinckx (Johnson & Johnson)
- Youn Kyeong Chang
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The meeting was recorded and the [video](https://zoom.us/rec/share/S3CjidPqOBSwSHo7xW3VUu_aUXKS9RdB3rNb07hWWkeyze5SthawUq5I8gnzQ2th.kpiljMfkqrlkuUJf?startTime=1704474237000) is available.


## Pilot 3

HyeSoo presented an update on the continuing FDA evaluation of Pilot 3.

* Using the R generated ADaM data sets, the FDA reviewers were able to replicate the results of the demographic, efficacy, primary and KM plot analyses

* The reviewers compared the results of the four analyses between Pilot 1 and Pilot 3.
* Primary output in Pilot 3 was different from the Pilot 1 result due to the QC findings
* QC findings in ADRG include all of the discrepancies between the original ADaM datasets
* The discrepancies in ADADAS data sets cause different primary analyses outputs
* This is an issue from the CDISC ADADAS
* It is not clear which CDISC file, the file from Pilot 1 or the file from Pilot 3, is correct.

The following figure compares the Pilot 1 and Pilot 3 primary output. Discrepancies are highlighted.

![Comparison of Primary outputs](output_compare.png)
Additional FDA questions included:

* Why is there an indication in the output of LOCF, "Last observation carried forward" when the original data set had no missing data?
* There was no statistical analysis plan included in the submission.
* **Action:** Ben Straub will confer with the Pilot 3 team to answer these questions and review the discrepancy problems between Pilots 1 and 3.
* **Action:** Paul and HyeSoo will discuss whether we need to resubmit Pilot 3
The next meeting of the working group will be on Friday, February 2, 2024 at 9AM Pacific Time.
* All agreed that if a resubmission of Pilot 3 is required, we will consider submitting via a .zip file.


There was some discussion about what we could do to improve the quality control of our submissions.

* The group agreed that we should have a check list to compare items against a Pilot 1 source of truth.
* We should have additional reviewers who are not close to the work.
* The idea of using AI tools to check consistency was mentioned.

## Upcoming Webinar

On Monday at 7PM PST Rikimaru Nishimura and Yuki Matsunaga will present a webinar on The Adoption of R in Japan’s Pharma Industry Confirmation. Look [here](https://www.r-consortium.org/r-adoption-series-the-adoption-of-r-in-japans-pharma-industry-confirmation) for details and information on how to register.

* Ning noted that Yuki expressed an interest in collaborating with the R Consortium.
* **Action:** we will set up a meeting with the Japanese team after the meeting.

## PharmaSUG

* JBR mentioned that it is an R Consortium goal for 2024 to make the opportunity for as many speaking engagements as possible.
* Ben mentioned that [PharmaSUG 2024](https://www.pharmasug.org/us/index.html) is coming up in May,
* **Action:** Ben volunteered to submit an abstract by the January 15 deadline. Ning will provide Ben with some copy used for a previous abstract.


The next meeting of the working group will be at 9AM PST on Friday, February 2, 2024.
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