Combine Steering and TO Committees #1587

evankanderson · 2024-07-01T01:36:53Z

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Unify the Steering Committee and TOC.
Adjust the future membership to consist of 4 elected seats, 1 end-user seat, and up to 2 selected seats to balance the set of skills on the committee.

This is based on #1549 (comment), but I've adjusted the Steering-appointed ("selected") seats to be optional and 1-year terms rather than 2-year terms with staggered appointment. I don't feel strongly about this, but it seemed to provide more flexibility.

Relates to #1549

…establishing process for future 1-election-per-year schedule.

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psschwei · 2024-07-16T19:20:38Z

+1 non-binding (not on steering [yet... :) ])

STEERING-COMMITTEE.md

rhuss · 2024-07-22T14:35:34Z

STEERING-COMMITTEE.md

-special elections held. In the event of a question of company membership (for
+No more than two contributing seats may be held by employees of the same organization
+(or conglomerate, in the case of companies owning each other). Additionally, each end
+user seat (when available) must belong to an employee from a different


Is the end user seat optional or mandatory? Maybe we should skip "(when available)" or otherwise mention that an end user seat is optional (which then also would decrease the size of the SC)

Removed, thanks!

rhuss · 2024-07-22T14:38:32Z

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+Steering Committee seats through any combination of contributing, end-user, and
+selected seats. If the results of an election result in greater than two employees of


Suggested change

Steering Committee seats through any combination of contributing, end-user, and

selected seats. If the results of an election result in greater than two employees of

Steering Committee seats. If the results of an election result in greater than two employees of

I would just leave out the "any combination of contributing, end-user, and selected seats" as I think this is redundant and a bit confusing (what is a combination of seats, anyway?).

This is just making clear that the sum total of seats can't be a majority. This means that the following would be disallowed:

2 $Foo elected seats 1 $Foo end-user seat 2 Non-$Foo elected seats 1 Selected seat (non-$Foo)

If $Foo is an end-user company. Another combination that would be disallowed:

2 $Foo elected seats 2 Non-$Foo elected seats 1 Non-$Foo end-user seat 1 $Foo selected seat

(Because that would give $Foo a total of 50% of the committee representation)

Whoops, we actually prevent the first scenario. But, to your point, we should move most of the company representation limits to a section that's not under "Election Procedure"

STEERING-COMMITTEE.md

rhuss · 2024-07-22T14:46:01Z

STEERING-COMMITTEE.md

@@ -280,7 +307,9 @@ election. Any replacement SC member will serve out the remainder of the term for
 the person they are replacing, regardless of the length of that remainder.

 In the event of a resignation or other loss of an appointed end user KSC member,
-the SC will appoint a new person to fill the end user SC seat.
+the SC will appoint a new person to fill the end user SC seat.  In the event of
+a resignation or other loss of an appointed select KSC member, the SC may choose


What does "KSC" mean (compared to "SC") ?

Oops, we seem to have mixed the two abbreviations. Standardized on "KSC"

STEERING-COMMITTEE.md

aliok · 2024-07-23T17:36:34Z

STEERING-COMMITTEE.md

+- Four (4) are elected Contributing Seats, open to any project contributor.
+  Contributing Seats are elected every year, and serve a two-year term.  In the
+  event of a vacancy, the Steering Committee may select a replacement to serve
+  out the remainder of the term.


Suggested change

- Four (4) are elected Contributing Seats, open to any project contributor.

Contributing Seats are elected every year, and serve a two-year term. In the

event of a vacancy, the Steering Committee may select a replacement to serve

out the remainder of the term.

- Four (4) are elected Contributing Seats, open to any project contributor.

Contributing Seats serve a two-year term and are elected when their terms end. In the

event of a vacancy, the Steering Committee may select a replacement to serve

out the remainder of the term.

Every year and 2 years seemed contradicting to me.

If you mean that e.g. 2 seats are elected this year, and 2 are elected next year, we should clarify that.

Clarified, thanks!

aliok · 2024-07-23T17:44:40Z

STEERING-COMMITTEE.md

-The Steering Committee has five (5) seats. Of these five seats, four (4) are elected
-Contributing seats, open to any project contributor, and one (1) is an
-[End User Seat](#end-user-seat) appointed by the Steering Committee.
+The Steering Committee has five (7) seats. These 7 seats are composed as follows:


Suggested change

The Steering Committee has five (7) seats. These 7 seats are composed as follows:

The Steering Committee has a minimum of 5 (five) and maximum of (7) seats. These 7 seats are composed as follows:

Since selected seats are optional, I've made a suggestion to update the text here. We also need to note that these are optional.

Maybe me writing optional is bad here. We should encourage SC to fill in those seats.

I actually think those seats are optional. If we ended up with 5 people who can regularly attend and move things forward, I don't want to make them feel like they need to get 2 more warm bodies to be performing well.

aliok · 2024-07-23T17:49:50Z

STEERING-COMMITTEE.md

@@ -280,7 +307,9 @@ election. Any replacement SC member will serve out the remainder of the term for
 the person they are replacing, regardless of the length of that remainder.

 In the event of a resignation or other loss of an appointed end user KSC member,
-the SC will appoint a new person to fill the end user SC seat.
+the SC will appoint a new person to fill the end user SC seat.  In the event of
+a resignation or other loss of an appointed select KSC member, the SC may choose


Suggested change

a resignation or other loss of an appointed select KSC member, the SC may choose

a resignation or other loss of an appointed select SC member, the SC may choose

Roland, I suppose they're the same thing :)

aliok · 2024-07-23T17:53:56Z

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+To recognize the folks that have served in the TOC in the past, below we list the previous members of the TOC (sorted by their 'Term End').
+
+| &nbsp;                                                         | Member          | Profile                                              | Term Start | Term End   |
+| -------------------------------------------------------------- | ---------------  | --------------------------------------------------- | ---------- | ---------- |
+| <img width="30px" src="https://github.com/vaikas.png">         | Ville Aikas     | [@vaikas](https://github.com/vaikas)                 | Bootstrap  | 2020       |
+| <img width="30px" src="https://github.com/tcnghia.png">        | Nghia Tran      | [@tcnghia](https://github.com/tcnghia)               | 2020       | 2021       |
+| <img width="30px" src="https://github.com/mattmoor.png">       | Matt Moore      | [@mattmoor](https://github.com/mattmoor)             | Bootstrap  | 2021       |
+| <img width="30px" src="https://github.com/grantr.png">         | Grant Rodgers   | [@grantr](https://github.com/grantr)                 | 2020       | 2021       |
+| <img width="30px" src="https://github.com/markusthoemmes.png"> | Markus Thömmes  | [@markusthoemmes](https://github.com/markusthoemmes) | 2020-06-09 | 2021-12-16 |
+| <img width="30px" src="https://github.com/julz.png">           | Julian Friedman | [@julz](https://github.com/julz)                     | 2021-05-26 | 2022-02-07 |
+| <img width="30px" src="https://github.com/rhuss.png">          | Roland Huß      | [@rhuss](https://github.com/rhuss)                   | 2021-02-16 | 2022       |
+| <img width="30px" src="https://github.com/mattmoor.png">       | Matt Moore      | [@mattmoor](https://github.com/mattmoor)             | 2022-02-07 | 2022       |
+| <img width="30px" src="https://github.com/n3wscott.png">       | Scott Nichols   | [@n3wscott](https://github.com/n3wscott)             | 2022-01-11 | 2022-09-27 |
+| <img width="30px" src="https://github.com/evankanderson.png">  | Evan Anderson   | [@evankanderson](https://github.com/evankanderson)   | Bootstrap  | 2023-06-01 |
+| <img width="30px" src="https://github.com/zroubalik.png">      | Zbynek Roubalik | [@zroubalik](https://github.com/zroubalik)           | 2022-06-01 | 2023-07-31 |
+| <img width="30px" src="https://github.com/krsna-m.png">        | Krsna Mahapatra | [@krsna-m](https://github.com/krsna-m)               | 2023-06-01 | 2024       |
+
+
 ---


Suggested change

To recognize the folks that have served in the TOC in the past, below we list the previous members of the TOC (sorted by their 'Term End').

|   | Member | Profile | Term Start | Term End |

| -------------------------------------------------------------- | --------------- | --------------------------------------------------- | ---------- | ---------- |

| <img width="30px" src="https://github.com/vaikas.png"> | Ville Aikas | [@vaikas](https://github.com/vaikas) | Bootstrap | 2020 |

| <img width="30px" src="https://github.com/tcnghia.png"> | Nghia Tran | [@tcnghia](https://github.com/tcnghia) | 2020 | 2021 |

| <img width="30px" src="https://github.com/mattmoor.png"> | Matt Moore | [@mattmoor](https://github.com/mattmoor) | Bootstrap | 2021 |

| <img width="30px" src="https://github.com/grantr.png"> | Grant Rodgers | [@grantr](https://github.com/grantr) | 2020 | 2021 |

| <img width="30px" src="https://github.com/markusthoemmes.png"> | Markus Thömmes | [@markusthoemmes](https://github.com/markusthoemmes) | 2020-06-09 | 2021-12-16 |

| <img width="30px" src="https://github.com/julz.png"> | Julian Friedman | [@julz](https://github.com/julz) | 2021-05-26 | 2022-02-07 |

| <img width="30px" src="https://github.com/rhuss.png"> | Roland Huß | [@rhuss](https://github.com/rhuss) | 2021-02-16 | 2022 |

| <img width="30px" src="https://github.com/mattmoor.png"> | Matt Moore | [@mattmoor](https://github.com/mattmoor) | 2022-02-07 | 2022 |

| <img width="30px" src="https://github.com/n3wscott.png"> | Scott Nichols | [@n3wscott](https://github.com/n3wscott) | 2022-01-11 | 2022-09-27 |

| <img width="30px" src="https://github.com/evankanderson.png"> | Evan Anderson | [@evankanderson](https://github.com/evankanderson) | Bootstrap | 2023-06-01 |

| <img width="30px" src="https://github.com/zroubalik.png"> | Zbynek Roubalik | [@zroubalik](https://github.com/zroubalik) | 2022-06-01 | 2023-07-31 |

| <img width="30px" src="https://github.com/krsna-m.png"> | Krsna Mahapatra | [@krsna-m](https://github.com/krsna-m) | 2023-06-01 | 2024 |

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To recognize the folks that have served in the TOC* in the past, below we list the previous members of the TOC (sorted by their 'Term End').

|   | Member | Profile | Term Start | Term End |

| -------------------------------------------------------------- | --------------- | --------------------------------------------------- | ---------- | ---------- |

| <img width="30px" src="https://github.com/vaikas.png"> | Ville Aikas | [@vaikas](https://github.com/vaikas) | Bootstrap | 2020 |

| <img width="30px" src="https://github.com/tcnghia.png"> | Nghia Tran | [@tcnghia](https://github.com/tcnghia) | 2020 | 2021 |

| <img width="30px" src="https://github.com/mattmoor.png"> | Matt Moore | [@mattmoor](https://github.com/mattmoor) | Bootstrap | 2021 |

| <img width="30px" src="https://github.com/grantr.png"> | Grant Rodgers | [@grantr](https://github.com/grantr) | 2020 | 2021 |

| <img width="30px" src="https://github.com/markusthoemmes.png"> | Markus Thömmes | [@markusthoemmes](https://github.com/markusthoemmes) | 2020-06-09 | 2021-12-16 |

| <img width="30px" src="https://github.com/julz.png"> | Julian Friedman | [@julz](https://github.com/julz) | 2021-05-26 | 2022-02-07 |

| <img width="30px" src="https://github.com/rhuss.png"> | Roland Huß | [@rhuss](https://github.com/rhuss) | 2021-02-16 | 2022 |

| <img width="30px" src="https://github.com/mattmoor.png"> | Matt Moore | [@mattmoor](https://github.com/mattmoor) | 2022-02-07 | 2022 |

| <img width="30px" src="https://github.com/n3wscott.png"> | Scott Nichols | [@n3wscott](https://github.com/n3wscott) | 2022-01-11 | 2022-09-27 |

| <img width="30px" src="https://github.com/evankanderson.png"> | Evan Anderson | [@evankanderson](https://github.com/evankanderson) | Bootstrap | 2023-06-01 |

| <img width="30px" src="https://github.com/zroubalik.png"> | Zbynek Roubalik | [@zroubalik](https://github.com/zroubalik) | 2022-06-01 | 2023-07-31 |

| <img width="30px" src="https://github.com/krsna-m.png"> | Krsna Mahapatra | [@krsna-m](https://github.com/krsna-m) | 2023-06-01 | 2024 |

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> * _Technical Oversight Committee (TOC)_ was a separate committee responsible for setting the overall technical direction and roadmap of the project before 2024. In 2024, SC and TOC [was merged](https://github.com/knative/community/issues/1549) into a single governance body.

I moved this to be in-line; footnotes don't work well in markdown / web documents for the most part.

aliok · 2024-07-23T17:55:46Z

Thanks for the PR @evankanderson !

+1 from me overall, just had some questions and comments.

Co-authored-by: Roland Huß <rhuss@redhat.com>

…nd aliok

evankanderson · 2024-08-27T17:01:25Z

I got around to updating this. I'd appreciate votes from both Steering and TOC on this, as it's effectively collapsing the two efforts into one.

aliok · 2024-09-02T09:34:04Z

+1

psschwei

had one question about the temporary KSC and the company limits and a couple of minor nits

STEERING-COMMITTEE.md

dsimansk · 2024-09-05T14:26:54Z

TECH-OVERSIGHT-COMMITTEE.md

I'd keep the file for a while as a placeholder with a brief "merged to KSC" message and link to KSC charter.

dsimansk · 2024-09-05T14:27:10Z

+1

STEERING-COMMITTEE.md

nrrso · 2024-09-10T16:49:23Z

+1

…sight

…mpany diversity for the 2024 combined committee.

psschwei

+1

aliok · 2024-09-11T06:13:47Z

+1

davidhadas · 2024-09-11T08:30:38Z

+1

salaboy · 2024-09-16T13:05:17Z

+1

dprotaso · 2024-09-16T22:17:42Z

+1

evankanderson · 2024-09-17T17:27:09Z

I see (required) +1 votes from:

@salaboy @aliok @nrrso @evankanderson (implicit)

I see (advisory) +1 votes from:

@dprotaso @davidhadas @psschwei @dsimansk

I believe this is a sufficient majority to proceed, so I will need an /lgtm from one of the above.

psschwei

/lgtm
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		Steering Committee seats through any combination of contributing, end-user, and
		selected seats. If the results of an election result in greater than two employees of

	Steering Committee seats through any combination of contributing, end-user, and
	selected seats. If the results of an election result in greater than two employees of
	Steering Committee seats. If the results of an election result in greater than two employees of

	The Steering Committee has five (7) seats. These 7 seats are composed as follows:
	The Steering Committee has a minimum of 5 (five) and maximum of (7) seats. These 7 seats are composed as follows:

	a resignation or other loss of an appointed select KSC member, the SC may choose
	a resignation or other loss of an appointed select SC member, the SC may choose

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