agenda and notes for 2024-01-10

meetings/notes/2024/2024-01-10.md

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+# TG3 - 2024-01-10
+
+## Folks
+
+| Name             | GH Username     | TLA | Affiliation     |
+| ---------------- | --------------- | --- | --------------- |
+| Jordan Harband   | @ljharb         | JHD | Invited Experts |
+| Chris de Almeida | @ctcpip         | CDA | IBM             |
+| Richard Gibson   | @gibson042      | RGN | Agoric          |
+| Chip Morningstar | @FUDco          | CM  | Agoric          |
+| Mark Miller      | @erights        | MM  | Agoric          |
+| Kris Kowal       | @kriskowal      | KKL | Agoric          |
+| Mathieu Hofman   | @mhofman        | MAH | Agoric          |
+
+## Agenda
+
+> [!NOTE]
+> See [backlog.md](/meetings/notes/backlog.md) for outstanding action items and agenda topics.
+
+| Topic                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 | Presenter(s)   |
+| ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | -------------- |
+| a missing language invariant that is already checked by proxy and regular object steps | MAH |
+| question about meeting scheduling | MM |
+
+## missing language invariant
+
+If a property is not configurable, getters and setters should never change, but this is not an invariant that constrains hosts (JS code would be unable to violate it).
+
+MM confirms this was an unintentional omission, and considers it a spec bug.
+
+MAH will make the spec PR, no tests should be needed.
+
+## should we have fewer meetings, or only schedule TG3 meetings once there is an agenda?
+
+MAH in favor of requiring an agenda 24 hours ahead, in order to have a meeting.
+
+CM thinks perhaps we should be working harder to get items on the agenda.
+
+CDA points out there's a sizable backlog.
+
+Consensus to:
+ - cancel TG3 meeting if no agenda items 24 hours prior
+ - strive to pull from backlog so that there is an agenda
+ - revisit in future when backlog and agenda both are remaining empty