revise caption definition #1703

scottaohara · 2022-03-12T16:40:30Z

This change in the definition is related to the changes in figure and figcaption in HTML AAM: w3c/html-aam#359 and introduces the idea that a caption may contain structured content - and in this PR - aria-details is referenced as a way authors should reference such content if within a caption

Additionally, this PR extends the definition to allow caption to be used for purposes of naming/describing a group or radiogroup, which fills some gaps from the dropped legend role.

NOTE: label and legend are still listed on the wiki page for role parity. Are these still relevant or not?

If these updates are accepted, this would help pave the way to resolve #1696 as well.

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This change in the definition is related to the changes in `figure` and `figcaption` in HTML AAM: w3c/html-aam#359 and introduces the idea that a `caption` may contain structured content - and in this PR - `aria-details` is referenced as a way authors should reference such content if within a `caption` Additionally, this PR extends the definition to allow `caption` to be used for purposes of naming/describing a `group` or `radiogroup`, which fills some gaps from the dropped `legend` role. If these updates are accepted, this would help pave the way to resolve #1696 as well.

scottaohara · 2022-03-12T16:56:50Z

A question I have is if we need the requirements about where the caption should be placed in these different markup patterns? We had done this to mimic HTML's requirements for their similar elements.... but... hindsight I guess... do we actually need to be as prescriptive here? Especially since these are still being associated via IDs, so it's not actually important where the content is actually placed in the DOM. And if we do re-introduce the idea of named by encapsulation, would being this strict actually be necessary?

this pr updates `aria-details` to mention `figure` and `figcaption`. This update is related to HTML AAM's update to the `figure` and `figcaption` elements - w3c/html-aam#359. It is a follow on to my other PR, #1703 which updates the `caption` role and includes information about `aria-details`.

This PR requires #1703 be merged.

charmarkk

I agree, and editorial looks good. Thanks Scott!

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MelSumner

Thank you for working on this.

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pkra · 2022-04-28T07:23:01Z

A question I have is if we need the requirements about where the caption should be placed in these different markup patterns? We had done this to mimic HTML's requirements for their similar elements.... but... hindsight I guess... do we actually need to be as prescriptive here? Especially since these are still being associated via IDs, so it's not actually important where the content is actually placed in the DOM. And if we do re-introduce the idea of named by encapsulation, would being this strict actually be necessary?

I agree that it seems unnecessary but it's also just a SHOULD statement; I feel like authors should not mind automated checkers questioning their decision a little.

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scottaohara · 2022-04-28T12:22:12Z

I feel like authors should not mind automated checkers questioning their decision a little.

i wish this were the case (i truly do and personally I agree with you here), but reality has shown me that developers will argue against legitimate errors that conformance checkers flag. warnings like this, where changing the markup wouldn't really result in a more accessible experience, only fuel their arguments of whether or not a11y checks actually matter :(

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pkra · 2022-04-29T07:13:38Z

@scottaohara I wanted to merge as is since this had plenty of review. Could you propose the looser positioning requirements in a new PR?

scottaohara · 2022-04-29T12:08:11Z

Thanks @pkra. have opened an issue to get a quick discussion on the pathway forward there. Can make a PR based on what people think about that.

pkra · 2022-04-29T12:14:37Z

Thanks, Scott!

* include mention of figure/caption this pr updates `aria-details` to mention `figure` and `figcaption`. This update is related to HTML AAM's update to the `figure` and `figcaption` elements - w3c/html-aam#359. It is a follow on to my other PR, #1703 which updates the `caption` role and includes information about `aria-details`. Co-authored-by: Sarah Higley <smhigley@users.noreply.github.com>

* revise caption definition This change in the definition is related to the changes in `figure` and `figcaption` in HTML AAM: w3c/html-aam#359 and introduces the idea that a `caption` may contain structured content - and in this PR - `aria-details` is referenced as a way authors should reference such content if within a `caption` Additionally, this PR extends the definition to allow `caption` to be used for purposes of naming/describing a `group` or `radiogroup`, which fills some gaps from the dropped `legend` role. If these updates are accepted, this would help pave the way to resolve #1696 as well. * add in missing id to first example * fix spacing issues * include additional example

* update figure role This PR requires #1703 be merged. * Update index.html * revisions per sarah's review * further updates to figure def

* revise caption definition This change in the definition is related to the changes in `figure` and `figcaption` in HTML AAM: w3c/html-aam#359 and introduces the idea that a `caption` may contain structured content - and in this PR - `aria-details` is referenced as a way authors should reference such content if within a `caption` Additionally, this PR extends the definition to allow `caption` to be used for purposes of naming/describing a `group` or `radiogroup`, which fills some gaps from the dropped `legend` role. If these updates are accepted, this would help pave the way to resolve #1696 as well. * add in missing id to first example * fix spacing issues * include additional example

* include mention of figure/caption this pr updates `aria-details` to mention `figure` and `figcaption`. This update is related to HTML AAM's update to the `figure` and `figcaption` elements - w3c/html-aam#359. It is a follow on to my other PR, #1703 which updates the `caption` role and includes information about `aria-details`. Co-authored-by: Sarah Higley <smhigley@users.noreply.github.com>

* update figure role This PR requires #1703 be merged. * Update index.html * revisions per sarah's review * further updates to figure def

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